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David Bannister  
#1 Posted : 18 January 2012 13:58:33(UTC)
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David Bannister

The current thread on the cruise ship disaster set me thinking about what is considered a successful outcome following the implementation of an emergency or disaster plan i.e the immediate outcomes, not longer term business survival. Certainly our press (and us) will play the blame game saying "it should never have happened, who can we hang out by their extremities" but in reality, can we reasonably expect our planning to produce a 100% survival rate? In the event of a bomb explosion, industrial explosion or building collapse, aircraft or train crash or ship's bottom being ripped out, what do we consider to be a successful outcome?
MB1  
#2 Posted : 18 January 2012 14:10:35(UTC)
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MB1

I think you will find that insurers, safety case authors etc are unlikely to have a 100% survival rate within their initial calculations. They tend to deal with worse case scenarios, acceptable loss levels and unacceptable loss in order to have an agreed level that would be acceptable risk and subject restrictions both operationally and management.
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 18 January 2012 14:16:29(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

You have to distinguish between the sort of outcomes that we as H&S professionals expect: minimise loss of life, enabling an organisation to recover, lessons learned and what the media expect : everything working perfectly at all times with nobody every injured by anything but without having to resort to any of that burdensome H&S nonsense.
David Bannister  
#4 Posted : 19 January 2012 10:54:06(UTC)
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David Bannister

Not much discussion in this discussion forum on this topic so far. MB1, I agree but who sets these levels, who decides acceptability or otherwise and to whom are they acceptable? Marine insurers may anticipate x% casualties whilst public liability insurers may be horrified at anything approaching that figure for The Olympic Stadium. And what about planners for a new airport? A Kurdziel, judging by some posts on other threads, some H&S professionals will not tolerate any fatalities after a major safety failure, expecting an emergency plan to be perfect and perfectly executed. Media of course are there solely to promote their own agendas, whether it's to generate profits via advertising or increase funding from taxpayers. A horror story is great for that.
DP  
#5 Posted : 19 January 2012 11:06:36(UTC)
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DP

Aviation industry and their underwriters must have to factor in catastrophic failure will high loss of life - this is the industry that's springs to my mind to address your original question. Having said that - I recall the Pan American Airlines went bust after Lockerbie - therefore such failures as terrorism may not have been insured at that time, not sure.
chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 19 January 2012 11:27:13(UTC)
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chris.packham

I don't think there can be any single criterium for a 'successful outcome'. Different situations represent different potential outcomes. For example, for an airliner at 34,000 feet suffering a major mechanical failure, any survival might be considered as acceptable. For a fire in an office any fatality might be considered unacceptable. And there will be a wide range of different 'successful outcomes' in between. In my view each particular situation will need to be considered on its own, recognising the potential of damage to or loss of life of those involved and of property, etc., and what practical measures are possible (a) to prevent the situation from arising and (b) to minimise any negative outcomes. Chris
stevedm  
#7 Posted : 20 January 2012 07:54:43(UTC)
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stevedm

Pan Am went bust for different reasons... It is my understanding that the insurance industry for air accept up to 2 full hull failures not sure on the frequency! but that can be over 600 people...twin towers only one of the towers was insured for collapse due to aircraft impact...this list goes on it is different to what H&S professionals do and as Chris has just put it there are lots and lots of other factors. Some people often confuse insurance clauses with H&S requirements as they both talk about risk for different reasons. i.e. potential for a claim and impact.
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