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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 20 January 2012 09:53:35(UTC)
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firesafety101

I have two other topics on the go re MEWPS, and thanks for all the replies, most welcome. This is another re MEWPs. There are four MEWPs on site each under the control of different sub contractors. There is a Principal Contractor. Three MEWPs are scissor type the other is a Cherry Picker. There is a need for the rescue plan and I would like opinions on who is responsible for providing those rescue plans. Is it the individual subby's? Is it the PC? Also - the cherry picker rescue plan must include a plan for rescue from height where the basket may be over a canopy etc. Suspension Trauma a big consideration. Does this mean a spare cherry picker must be available if that is the only method for rescue?
HeO2  
#2 Posted : 20 January 2012 10:17:38(UTC)
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HeO2

As its Friday, Im going to add that suspension trauma is like EFC 's chances of winning the Premiership (It doesn't exist)!!!!
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 20 January 2012 10:28:10(UTC)
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firesafety101

HeO2 thanks for that but this is serious and I wouldn't like it to turn into a Friday Thread. I treat health and safety seriously, however I do enjoy a bit of banter. Professor Cox says that in this universe anything that can happen will happen, therefore somewhere in the universe there is an Everton that will will the Premier league this season. So there.
stevedm  
#4 Posted : 20 January 2012 10:28:49(UTC)
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stevedm

HE02 don't entirely agree and then I do....then I don't..then I do... however the post was about who provides that kit and is it needed. Indeed if that was the only method of rescue you need to have plans to provide it. If however there is another method...lost my MEWP for dummies book...isn't there the ability from ground level to bring the cage down?
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 20 January 2012 10:53:53(UTC)
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firesafety101

I would think the ground controls would manoeuvre the cage down, (Not a qualified user myself), but if the operator is suspended by harness this could create a problem? Am I thinking outside the box a little too much?
HeO2  
#6 Posted : 20 January 2012 11:41:18(UTC)
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HeO2

Suspension trauma is subject I'm very passionate about and don't take lightly, was merely trying to enforce the point that it really IS a consideration, and in my humble opinion DOES exist. Spare cherry picker is the easiest way forward. Otherwise you are into snatch rescues, which bring their own issues such as training, competency, kit etc etc
HeO2  
#7 Posted : 20 January 2012 11:47:16(UTC)
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HeO2

Im also an EFC fan, so you learn to 'enjoy" the jokes made lol. In all seriousness, it comes down to risk assessment as always. If you have special circumstances you must create and manage the special arrangements. Don't rely on 999 as a mitigation measure. Second cherry picker is the way forward i think. As to who the responsibility rests with on site, it would be easier to make individual contractors take it on. Phil
Brett Day SP  
#8 Posted : 20 January 2012 11:53:01(UTC)
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Brett Day SP

The contractor using the MEWP is responsible for thier RA / SSoW and that should include rescue arrangements, however, there is also the duty to co ordinate with other contractors and the PC. You are indeed correct that the ground controls would be used to bring the machine down to the ground and would form part of the rescue plan. I am a little hazy on the suspension trauma part - a MEWP operator should be wearing a fall arrest harness that is attached to the anchor point in the MEWP's cage by a restraint lanyard - this is to prevent the operative climbing on handrails or out of the machine and is also designed to prevent 'catapulting' if the macine drops off a kerb or hits a pothole as demonstrated here:
Fall arrest harnesses are considered a big no for MEWP operators as the do not prevent catapulting and if the cage is close to the ground they will hit the ground before the device can arrest and if high enough for the device to arrest correctly then it can over balance the machine and pulll it down onto the operator (there are very few makes and models of MEWPs that are rated to act as fall arrest anchors). So where do you expect suspension trauma to be an issue? Are operatives getting out of the cage?
Brett Day SP  
#9 Posted : 20 January 2012 12:51:59(UTC)
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firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 21 January 2012 15:06:28(UTC)
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firesafety101

What if: The MEWP is hired by the Principal Contractor for use by a sub contractor? Does the responsibility for rescue now transfer to the PC or stay with the user?
firesafety101  
#11 Posted : 23 January 2012 11:11:46(UTC)
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firesafety101

I think I know the answer but would just like some confirmation please?
DNW  
#12 Posted : 24 January 2012 13:03:07(UTC)
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DNW

The Principal Contractor should ensure that the sub contractor has a documented risk assessment for all work activities and that it is suitable and sufficient. This would include any safe systems of work, emergency rescue plans etc. In my view, working as PC, I prefer the sub contractor to provide their own safety documents, which I review and comment on accordingly. When I'm happy with the content I agree to the works, but never officially 'Approve' the documents. I will, on occasion and dependant on the risk involved, compile the risk assessment etc on behalf of the sub contractor for operational purposes i.e. need it done now. If the PC is directly controlling/supervising the work at height then as a Sub Contractor I would expect them to be compiling the risk assessments etc and communicate it accordingly. If the PC has hired the MEWP, as a Sub Contractor using them I would ensure they have been inspected as per LOLER requirements and are maintained appropriately.
firesafety101  
#13 Posted : 24 January 2012 14:12:10(UTC)
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firesafety101

All, thanks for the pointers, the contractors are mostly behaving but at present they leave the rescue plan to the PC. I'm an outside consultant so can't lay down the law but will try to get the PC's to get the subbys to do their own rescue plan, then the PC can coordinate. many thanks
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