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Hunt42963		#1 Posted : 23 January 2012 13:55:02(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		There is a statement in the new procedure that if a person is unfit for work after an accident and is off for 7 days or more it is reportable (no mention of hospital) What does that mean in terms of... At the moment it is only reportable if they go to hospital and are off for more than three days. It does not mention hospital in the first statement, so if they have a minor injury and go off for more than 7 days (But do not go to the hospital) do we have to report it?
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Safety Smurf		#2 Posted : 23 January 2012 14:00:35(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		It means that if they didn't get a professional medical opinion from a hospital they would have had to get one from their doctor or risk taking unauthorised leave. A person may only self certify for 5-days. If I'm not mistaken, that was a considering factor in the decision to change the regs.
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Zyggy		#3 Posted : 23 January 2012 14:02:55(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Currently, if an employee is off for more than 3 days arising out of a work-related injury, then it is reportable - no visit to a hospital is necessary for it to be reported. The new changes just extend this to more than 7 days - again no visit to a hospital required. The only time a visit to a hospital triggers a notification is if it involves a non-employee & they are taken direct to a hospital by whatever means - this is not changing. Zyggy
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safetyamateur		#4 Posted : 23 January 2012 14:04:30(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		What zyggy said. What was 3 days will be 7 days. End of.
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redken		#5 Posted : 23 January 2012 15:00:39(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		zyggy wrote: The only time a visit to a hospital triggers a notification is if it involves a non-employee & they are taken direct to a hospital by whatever means - this is not changing. Zyggy except: "injury resulting from an electric shock or electrical burn leading to ■■unconsciousness, resuscitation or admittance to hospital for more than 24 hours; any other injury leading to hypothermia, heat-induced illness, unconsciousness, ■■resuscitation or admittance to hospital for more than 24 hours;
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Zyggy		#6 Posted : 23 January 2012 15:12:02(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Redken, Yes, I am aware of the "major injury" classifications involving hospitalisation, I was just trying to limit my answer to make it clearer given the context of the question! Zyggy.
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johnmurray		#7 Posted : 23 January 2012 15:17:43(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Basically, it means that less accidents will be reported. Given that most were not reported anyway, that may not be that significant. It also means that self-employed accidents will not be reported anyway, and since pre-April only 10% were reported anyway, and will mean that self-employed workers are 100% safe: No accidents at all. Fits in well with the no RA scam...soz, scheme.
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Hunt42963		#8 Posted : 23 January 2012 15:21:40(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		Hey thanks everyone great help... You learn something new every day.
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jay		#9 Posted : 23 January 2012 15:26:20(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		You still have to keep records of the over 3 days, but do not have to report them!! Refer to the thread , "New RIDDOR Reporting Requirements" http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...spx?g=posts&t=103815
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Ron Hunter		#10 Posted : 23 January 2012 16:15:22(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		And those that are reported will no longer be compatable with pan-European and ILO/WHO statistics - all based on the >3 day principle.
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redken		#11 Posted : 30 January 2012 10:35:44(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Is this a mistake in the new guidance? An exception where over three days still triggers reporting? "Cases where a worker suffered shock and was unable to carry out the full (c) range of their normal duties for over three days because of a physical injury received as a result of an act of violence would be reportable." Page 18
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smitch		#12 Posted : 30 January 2012 11:16:00(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		redken wrote: Is this a mistake in the new guidance? An exception where over three days still triggers reporting? "Cases where a worker suffered shock and was unable to carry out the full (c) range of their normal duties for over three days because of a physical injury received as a result of an act of violence would be reportable." Page 18 Good point, because if you look at page 24 it goes onto state : "In the case of an over-seven-day injury the incapacity must arise from the physical injury and not be the result of a psychological reaction to the act of violence alone" The more you read it the less clear it becomes, good job everyone fully understands RIDDOR ;-(
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Zyggy		#13 Posted : 30 January 2012 15:53:01(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Redken, It's a mistake & is being amended. Zyggy
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