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mcusack  
#1 Posted : 24 January 2012 12:53:18(UTC)
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mcusack

Hi everyone, Just looking for some thoughts on fire alarm system maintenance. In our offices we have quarterly testing of the system. We recently refurbished some smaller offices and fire alarm systems were installed. The offices are very small with only four detector units. Would it be reasonable to have these tested biannually rather than quarterly?
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 24 January 2012 13:14:09(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I believe the appropriate local regime is to ensure all call-points are test activated over a 12 month period. Where you have a new "intelligent" self-monitoring system then, as occupier, you don't really have to do anything with the call points - they're on continual self-test. Your maintenance contract should (over a 12 month) confirm that the detectors (as opposed to call-points) operate correctly and correspond with zone panel & floor plan information (& sometimes they don't!). Standards require engineers to do a 50% check. The trick is to ensure they don't continually repeat checks on the same 50%!!( that happens too).
ianjones  
#3 Posted : 24 January 2012 13:18:51(UTC)
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ianjones

hi the requirement is too test the panels 6 monthly and as Ron sayes that often means they test 50% of the detectors each time I operate in a bakery and becuase of the risk, we maintain at a 3 monthly cycle but 6 monthly in our warehouse and distribution units If you can save money this way your boss will love you and you are still providing a good level of cover
jfw  
#4 Posted : 24 January 2012 13:50:07(UTC)
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jfw

Are you confussing the requirement for testing with that for maintenance ? The fire detection system should be serviced by a contractor in accordance with BS 5839: Part 1 and the manufacturers instructions, at least Six Monthly (the minimum requirements of BS 5389) and the occupiers responsible person should carry out a weekly test sounding the alarm and keep records of it. It is recommended that this is done at the same time each week so that occupiers are used to its sound. It also states that every zone should be tested every 13 weeks, therefore if you have more than 13 zones, you will need to carry out more than one test each week. I currently have 12 zones, so test one each week on rotation to ensure that I comply. Previously I worked in a building where there were over 40 zones, so we tested 4 each week, (after the first test we would mute the alarm for the next 3 tests to minimise disruption). I know a lot of businesses that never test the their alarm, thinking that the maintenance contract they have covers them. Its the same with emergency lighting. Very few organisation test theirs monthly in accordance with BS 5266.
michaelmoore119  
#5 Posted : 25 January 2012 06:28:45(UTC)
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michaelmoore119

British Standards is only approved code of practice not a statutory regulation like the Regulatory Reform Order, it is this that a local fire brigade would prosecute persons under for failing to maintain a fire detection system, A lot of contractors quote BS 5839 stating that systems must be tested in accordance with this every 6 months or so. In fact the Regulatory Reform Order is based on a risk assessment approach and section 17 states the following : Maintenance 17.—(1) Where necessary in order to safeguard the safety of relevant persons the responsible person must ensure that the premises and any facilities, equipment and devices provided in respect of the premises under this Order or, subject to paragraph (6), under any other enactment, including any enactment repealed or revoked by this Order, are subject to a suitable system of maintenance and are maintained in an efficient state, in efficient working order and in good repair. Not once does it mention that systems need testing every 3 – 6 months or that they should be tested to BS5839.
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 25 January 2012 07:42:42(UTC)
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bob youel

MichaelM119 is correct as many quote what is not law and some quote things that are not in any BS etc hoping that people do not read such things: However you must have a really good risk assessment in place that supports really good maintenance and other systems / procedures - to date I have seen very few good systems that would stand up in a court [noting that BS / ISO are seen as best practice and are used by prosecutors as evidence -- so take your choice
wjp62  
#7 Posted : 25 January 2012 08:51:30(UTC)
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wjp62

The following information has been taken from the guidance document for Offices and Shops produced by the DCLG to assist in complying with the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. In this guide reference is made to British Standards and standards provided by other bodies. The standards referred to are intended for guidance only and other standards could be used. Reference to any particular standard is not intended to confer a presumption of conformity with the requirements of the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 (the Order). The level of necessary safety (or service) must be dictated by the findings of your risk assessment so you may need to do more or less than that specified in any particular standard referred to. You must be prepared to show that what you have done complies with any requirements or prohibitions of the Order irrespective of whether you have relied on a particular standard. Section 2.5 Testing and maintenance It is good practice to test the alarm at the same time each week, but additional tests may be required to ensure that staff or people present outside normal working hours are given the opportunity to hear the alarm. Where systems are connected to a central monitoring station, arrangements should be made prior to testing to avoid unwanted false alarms. Further guidance on testing and maintenance of fire warning systems can be found in BS 5839-1 Six-monthly servicing and preventive maintenance should be carried out by a competent person with specialist knowledge of fire-warning and automatic detection systems. This task is normally fulfilled by entering into a service contract with a specialist fire alarm company. http://www.communities.g...ents/fire/pdf/151543.pdf
bleve  
#8 Posted : 25 January 2012 09:44:35(UTC)
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bleve

mcusack wrote:
Hi everyone, Just looking for some thoughts on fire alarm system maintenance. In our offices we have quarterly testing of the system. We recently refurbished some smaller offices and fire alarm systems were installed. The offices are very small with only four detector units. Would it be reasonable to have these tested biannually rather than quarterly?
It should be noted that the OP is based in Ireland and as such the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 and BS 5839 are not applicable. In addition, under case law, the application or adherence to standards has a different interpretation compared to the UK. In actual fact the applicable standard is I.S. 3218:2009. Under that standard, there is a requirement to test the alarm function by the testing of a manual call point or detector in each ZONE on a quarterly interval. On an annual basis each detector shall be checked for correct operation in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommendations. In conclusion you must ensure the annual examination/testing of each detector, you can select a bi annual test of correct operation if you wish.
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