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Very moving, very well written
Can IOSH run with this?
When I get home I'm going to send this to my own MP (a conservative) and ask he for a response.
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I think this clearly sums up what most of us think !!
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The PM never said such a thing and his comments have been taken well and truly out of context. If you could be bothered to read, or listen, to what he actually said (and not from newspapers who have maliciously maligned his speach) you will find most if not all of what he said makes good sense.
So stop knocking and enter the real world - and those of you who believe anything in news papers or reported on the BBC should seek help
Rich
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Not sure if anyone has read this yet in the Law Gazette - http://www.google.co.uk/...oWKSkPWtvJTXav5RZpKyMRag - but it appears that Prof Lofstedt is by no means happy by the mantra which the Conservatives have taken with his review, not indeed the way they are making up their own conculsions.
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rich777 wrote:
The PM never said such a thing and his comments have been taken well and truly out of context. If you could be bothered to read, or listen, to what he actually said (and not from newspapers who have maliciously maligned his speach) you will find most if not all of what he said makes good sense.
So stop knocking and enter the real world - and those of you who believe anything in news papers or reported on the BBC should seek help
Rich
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I did listen to his speach to a business group and he DID refer to killing H&S Culture and getting rid of H&S Monster unless BBC Scotland had a different recording.
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Will the PM take any notice? I would hope it will have the effect that it curbs his language to ensure he is specific as to exactly where is coming from when talking about such things as the compensation culture and not giving out a message that health and safety is the cause of the many ills the economy is suffering. Those who try and defend the PM as never having said this or that should really focus on the fact that his manny comments about health and safety are completly out of context with the real world. He should put his brain in gear and think before opening his mouth about a subject that he has clearly been ill advised on.
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Both Young's and Lofstedt's reviews retrospectively advise nothing on the seemingly vitriolic and ideological changes which the PM is proposing. It appears that he and the party elite are only reading what they want to read into this, even when it is neither written nor empirically true. Conversely, both those factors are the v bastions of what “politics” - regardless of its colour - are fabricated upon.
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Yes, there has been a degree of misinterpretation of that particular speech.
Isn't unfortunate though that he would choose the term "health and safety culture" when the monster of the day was "compensation culture".
For those of in the workplace (either with a specific H&S role, or as an employer or employee who want to make a difference) his hijacking of the term was bound to provoke strong reaction, particularly in the context of previous ramblings about red tape and regulation.
In the wider context of course there are both "good" and "bad" health and safety cultures out there.
Strong words from Rich there. which should be even more relevant to Politicians- who should really be engaging brain before mouth and actually reflecting on meaning of a message rather than reading a poor script. In my own humble opinion the man's incompetent.
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I do of course refer to the PM Rich, and not your good self!!!!
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ron hunter wrote:I do of course refer to the PM Rich, and not your good self!!!!
I did wonder ;-)
Andy
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Ron - no offence taken as I understood your meaning. I quite agree with your comments as well. I also particularly like your licid and considered comments and advice as opposed to some from others which (as I have posted before) are just politcal bile.
The PM should of course, have alluded to the compensation cutlture which by the way is a perception, which doesn't mean it doesn't exist - it does; but not to the degree most people imagine.
Great weekends to all
Rich
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rich777 wrote:Ron - no offence taken as I understood your meaning. I quite agree with your comments as well. I also particularly like your licid and considered comments and advice as opposed to some from others which (as I have posted before) are just politcal bile.
The PM should of course, have alluded to the compensation cutlture which by the way is a perception, which doesn't mean it doesn't exist - it does; but not to the degree most people imagine.
Great weekends to all
Rich
The PM also comes out with alot of politcal bile as you put it and his not so considered comments related to Health and Safety seem to be ignored by you also saying most people imagine things to a degree. Imagine what? Interesting that you agree with Ron's comments that the man is incompetent. That's not political bile it is a fact. I am not sure if you are contradicting yourself or is it just a case that I imagine it to a degree.
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“So this coalition has a clear New Year’s resolution: to kill off the health and safety culture for good. I want 2012 to go down in history not just as Olympics year or Diamond Jubilee year, but the year we get a lot of this pointless time-wasting out of the British economy and British life once and for all.”
That's exactly, word for word what the PM said. And yes, the media may well have used what he said and twisted it out of context, but it is what it is. Is he incompetent? I'm not so sure he is.
Jen Deeney's message is a powerful and very personal one, hopefully it will get through to the PM and she will get a reply!! Now that would be an interesting read.
Paul.
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Lets get this straight once and for all - I don't like posts which are politically motivated and obviously impartial.
By all means have a go at what is said by politicians but to slag them off because in your view they are the wrong colour (Red, Blue etc) is rather stupid and achieves nothing.
In the end it says more about the poster than the politician - so I suggest you keep it impartial guys.
Rich
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rich777 wrote:Lets get this straight once and for all - I don't like posts which are politically motivated and obviously impartial.
By all means have a go at what is said by politicians but to slag them off because in your view they are the wrong colour (Red, Blue etc) is rather stupid and achieves nothing.
In the end it says more about the poster than the politician - so I suggest you keep it impartial guys.
Rich
I don't particularly like your posts however I accept that you are entitled to have your say on this forum as you should accept we are all entitiled to post our views. I have not seen any post that is politcially motivated but could read into yours as flying a Blue Flag. You have no right to even suggest to keep it impartial or to imply we should put up or shut up.
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