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Would anyone have a suitable checklist / questionnaire for to use as a starting point for checking the competency of a licensed asbestos contractor?
Also a checklist for checking their asbestos controls when they are on site - audit type - smoke test etc.?
Appreciate any help
SBM
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Assuming the work is Licensed and they have a License, their competence will have been checked by HSE - so why check it again - what happens on site is they key.
In prep' for the work they will have had to prepare detailed and site specific method statement for HSE - get that from them and make sure they stick to it - job done!
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Interesting reply Stephens25059.
I get this all the time with contractors who have passed all the checks by CHAS, safecontractorscheme etc. They are still competence checked by new clients who do not accept what has gone on before.
Frustrating indeed.
I'm not criticising SBM for asking the question by the way, just see all the time the lack of trust in the competence check organisations.
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Stephens25059 wrote:Assuming the work is Licensed and they have a License, their competence will have been checked by HSE quote] I wouldn't say that's necessarily the case.There are (mostly) very good licensed contractors and some not so good. The degree of monitoring and scrutiny (and response to complaints) by HSE is very limited these days. If you have a real concern, best bet would be to get a competent third-party involved in the job. The analyst coming in at the end of the job to conduct air clearance etc. can be called in earlier by you to give opinion on the issues of concern, SBM. You can choose to make that appointment seperately if you wish.
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Ron, are you saying there are people with a License who have not been assessed by HSE?
If that is what you are saying then I'm afraid that is totally incorrect - all License holders undergo a pretty rigorous assessment to get and maintain a License.
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One assumes the work will require a 4-stage clearance so a independent analytical organisation will need to be involved. You can task them with managing the competency issue especially if they hold a supervisory licence. They will know what to look for and how to address any gaps that may arise. Get them in as early as possible. Do not rely on the contactor just being 'licensed'. Licence periods vary but three years is the norm, so they may be able to demonstrate their competency during the licence application but three years is a long time and competencies can easily be compromised if they go unchecked. Similarly, do not rely on the enforcing agencies to check competencies through any visits they may pay to the contractor as visit frequency can be patchy at best. That said if the contractor has experienced frequent visits/ communication from the enforcing agencies they may be a Priority Visit Contractor (PVC). Alarm bells should ring now. Behind this might lurk enforcements/ letters/ etc. The contractor should be able to furnish you with this information on request. Be aware though that all licence holders are deemed PVC when they enter the last year of their licence period.
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Stephens25059 wrote:Ron, are you saying there are people with a License who have not been assessed by HSE?
If that is what you are saying then I'm afraid that is totally incorrect - all License holders undergo a pretty rigorous assessment to get and maintain a License. Yep, and then when the HSE leave they revert to type, put on their 10 gallon hats and respirators on their horses (well, hanging round their necks anyway). There is a huge variation in quality across the industry and checking their licence is but a starting point. Don't get me wrong, there are some excellent contractors out there, professionals in every sense of the word. Equally there are some shockingly bad ones who I would not allow on to my site. References from past clients are very useful, though bear in mind that some judge only on cost and are not sufficiently educated to know a good contractor from a bad one.
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Sorry Stephens25059, but things are a bit different in the real world. As Chris confirms, there are some shocking licensed contractors out there. When things go wrong, you should have no expectation that the HSE to be siding with you. Sound advice from Gerry D.
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So the lack of trust is justified then?
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The HSE Asbestos Licence Unit will appoint regional inspectors to visit new applications or renewals, the Inspectors carry out an appraisal of that organisation on the day of the assessment visit. That is fed back to the Licensing Unit, they can only make a judgement based on that. The HSE's role is not to endorse every job that has an ASB5 (notification of licensed asbestos removal) against it. In house and external auditing is an integral part of the comapny's health and safety management system. You don't just get a licence then forget about health and safety until the inspectors visit you in say three years time. The thread poster has asked a simple question. In response to that I will forward an audit specification.
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The best checklist in the world doesn't help when a "difference of opinion" arises between the client and the specialist contractor. The presence and input of an impartial accredited analyst could however make all the difference? This isn't so much about 'lack of trust' Firesafety, more about erring on the side of caution when faced with high risk specialist contracted work outwith our comfort zone.
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I held a supervisors license for a while and can confirm that licensed contractors vary in the quality of their risk controls, not only between contractors but also between sites.
They do dangerous work on our sites. It is perfectly reasonable to want to make sure that they aren't exposing our people to harm.
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