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Nabs  
#1 Posted : 06 February 2012 16:22:44(UTC)
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Nabs

We have staff who are engineers who collect various coolants on their overalls: mechanics who collect all sorts of dusts from brakes and plumbers who undertake lead burning.
We currently launder their overalls but the proposal is that we scrap this contract and staff launder their own.
I am concerned about contaminants being transferred home e. g. lead and coolants etc.
Are there any laws affecting this?
Any advice welcome
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 06 February 2012 17:20:52(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I’d be very wary about expecting your guys to take this stuff home. If they do take the overalls home then anybody handling them, (wives mothers etc) could be exposed to the risk associated with these substances. Repeat exposure to these sorts of substances poses all sorts of risks. In the past the classic case was wives getting asbestosis form cleaning their husbands’ overalls. So an action under section 3 of Health and Safety at Work Act and the general common law of negligence.
Also likely is that the wives/mothers might end up refusing to ruin their washing machines washing this stuff guys would end up not bothering to get these items cleaned at all and wearing scanky kit and this could be described as a failure to maintain PPE under the PPE Regulation 7-Maintenance and replacement of personal protective equipment
(1)
“Every employer shall ensure that any personal protective equipment provided to his employees is maintained (including replaced or cleaned as appropriate) in an efficient state, in efficient working order and in good repair.”
chris.packham  
#3 Posted : 06 February 2012 17:38:14(UTC)
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chris.packham

I would support everything that Kurdziel has said.

Some time ago I acquired a study showing how farmers' wives frequently developed healths problems from washing their husbands' overalls after they had been spraying pesticides or insecticides. Unfortunately I could not find this in my filing system in the short time I had to search, or I would have given you the reference. If I get time I will have another search.

Also domestic washing machines often are not powerful enough to remove all traces of toxic or sensitising chemicals, unlike the commercial equipment that specialist laundering companies will use.

Chris
chris.packham  
#4 Posted : 06 February 2012 17:43:26(UTC)
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chris.packham

Nabs  
#5 Posted : 10 February 2012 13:37:33(UTC)
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Nabs

Very many thanks for your advice
johnmurray  
#6 Posted : 10 February 2012 13:44:55(UTC)
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johnmurray

I'll also point out that domestic washing machines are not designed to be subjected to inustrial solvents or abrasive materials.
And; how often do they get replaced?
Weekly seems the norm. But if your guys get any harmful materials or liquids on their overalls they should be changed immediately.
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 10 February 2012 15:30:02(UTC)
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bob youel

There is case law re asbestos in overalls that were washed at home in a domestic situation and a baby [yep a baby], a wife and others [ different cases] were contaminated and now suffer if not passed away

go with the wash at work situation as the payment made to staff to wash at home probably costs more in the long run - what no payment!!! isn't that a surprise
johnmurray  
#8 Posted : 10 February 2012 16:26:32(UTC)
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johnmurray

Not really.
Been there.
Some coveralls need dry cleaning, flame resistant ones for a start.
It's worth checking the procedure used for cleaning if you have FR coveralls.
David H  
#9 Posted : 11 February 2012 16:42:50(UTC)
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David H

Flame retardent coveralls are usually boil washed offshore - as is everything else - so watch what you put i the laundry!!.
But they are allegedly able to withstand 50 such washes so ensure they are changed out every 18 months or so.

David
chris.packham  
#10 Posted : 11 February 2012 16:57:05(UTC)
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chris.packham

David

But you can still get some interesting results. We were tasked to help investigate a case where an offshore technician had to be evacuated because of a severe skin reaction on whole body except hands and face. Assumption initially was the fire retardant coating on the overalls, but patch testing was negative. The dermatologist we were working with finally traced the cause to the residue in the overalls of a fragrance that was an extremely rare sensitiser and was used in the washing powder . The technician now takes his own overalls to the rig and washes them himself. So far this has resolved the problem.

Of course, nowhere was the fragrance listed as a sensitiser and thus not on the safety data sheet!

Chris
David H  
#11 Posted : 11 February 2012 18:02:16(UTC)
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David H

Hi Chris and this is not an isolated incident!.
Most companies have COSHH registers where only tried and approved substances - and that will include washing powder - are allowed on the platform and any incident will trigger an investigation into that product.
When i go offshore - I try and ensure non of my "day clothes" go to the laundry - but that is my choice and they are not exposed to any nasties.

David
ian hutchins  
#12 Posted : 11 February 2012 18:39:04(UTC)
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ian hutchins

My sons 21 and a chief at a beefeater. He brings home ALL his work clothing home to be washed. I beleive his overalls," supplied by his employer " are classed as PPE, therefore are his employers not responsible for cleaning them?
David H  
#13 Posted : 11 February 2012 20:29:53(UTC)
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David H

Ian - PPE is something to protect the person from harm.
So chain mail aprons etc or whatever if he is boning would be PPE.

But his overalls in my view would be classed as uniform - where most coveralls have hi viz strips so therefore are to improve the persons visibility therefore protect the person. So not PPE.
I would not expect your son to be exposed to haz chemicals (not including chilles) so he should not be exposed to anything that the normal kitchen would not have - except on a much larger scale (hope that makes sense?)

However, I personally believe that no work clothes should be taking home. Keep work in work.
You could argue that if the home washing machine was broken, how could they meet the required hygiene standards - but the same is now standard with nursing staff who are required to travel etc in uniform then go on the wards.

I agrre with your sentiments but cant support it Im afraid.

I stand to be corrected though??

David
chris.packham  
#14 Posted : 12 February 2012 09:16:41(UTC)
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chris.packham

I agree with DavidH. It all depends upon the purpose for which the item is being supplied and used. It's the same sometimes with gloves. Where these are being supplied to protect the product from the person, e.g. when handling food, then they would not be PPE. The same gloves worn to protect the person from the product, e.g. a chemical or biological hazard, would be PPE. Of course, sometimes gloves can be worn to serve both purposes simultaneously. So determining whether something is PPE requires one to look at the reason it is being used.

Chris
JJ Prendergast  
#15 Posted : 12 February 2012 14:15:57(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Nabs

Can only agree with other postings.

It is the employers responsibility to provide and clean engineers overalls for all the reasons given in this dicussion.

As stated there is case law about this.



frankc  
#16 Posted : 12 February 2012 15:00:43(UTC)
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frankc

David H wrote:


However, I personally believe that no work clothes should be taking home.

David


The HSE and UKATA certainly agree with you, David.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/as...iddenkiller/handling.htm

bob youel  
#17 Posted : 13 February 2012 07:13:40(UTC)
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bob youel

In my view a suitable and sufficient risk assessment wuld soon indicate that a chiefs uniform to be also protective clothing e.g. protection against hot fat splashes hence fall under PPE - However I have yet to see a suitable and sufficient RA of any type for that industry
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