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Brett L Greenwood		#1 Posted : 14 February 2012 11:50:05(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Hi I was wondering if I could get some help on a scenario in relation to RIDDOR. My Scenario is: Employee coming in to work gets out of a car and slips on some Ice in the carpark and bangs there head. Employee goes home and is off for more than 3 days. Is this reportable as a RIDDOR incident or not. Many thanks B
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Safety Smurf		#2 Posted : 14 February 2012 12:01:03(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Brett L Greenwood wrote: Hi I was wondering if I could get some help on a scenario in relation to RIDDOR. My Scenario is: Employee coming in to work gets out of a car and slips on some Ice in the carpark and bangs there head. Employee goes home and is off for more than 3 days. Is this reportable as a RIDDOR incident or not. Many thanks B Is your employer responsible for the car park? (is it your company's for their exclusive use?)
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Brett L Greenwood		#3 Posted : 14 February 2012 12:04:13(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Hi Safety Smurf The carpark is owned by us for the use of staff and visitors hope this helps B
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SW		#4 Posted : 14 February 2012 12:30:29(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		As I get so much pressure with our KPI's, the cynic in me would say "No I won't report" as they were not officially / technically "at work" - I know the majority here will say reportable though. I have reported an over 3 day when a Driver, during the course of his work slipped while getting out of the cab on ice and another when a Driver slipped over as he was walking to his delivery lorry during a run. Bit of a can of worms the "at work or in connection with work" as the last couple of threads have shown. (Getting up from chair and straining back - reportable? and employee clocked out but tripped over another Employees' feet coming out of the loo - reportable?)
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Steveeckersley		#5 Posted : 14 February 2012 13:08:38(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		To me this is not a scenario as from last night I received an email specifically in relation to the same thing- Person was seriously injured . (Broken bones) I havnt started the investigation yet so I am interested as to what my colleagues think.
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Safety Smurf		#6 Posted : 14 February 2012 13:22:58(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		IMHO it's a RIDDOR. The employer owns the carpark and therefore it forms part of the workplace. The condition of the workplace was attributable to the accident and therefore the injury. The employer owes a duty to ensure safe means of access to and egress from the workplace.
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Burns33158		#7 Posted : 14 February 2012 13:51:16(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		As the employe was not officially clocked in and undertaking their work activities I would suggest not reportable, however this may be different for peripetic workers whereby their commute would be counted as their work activity (very few road traffic accidents are reportable - need to involve trains or delivery goods/drivers etc). Hope this helps :o) Fiona
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Safety Smurf		#8 Posted : 14 February 2012 13:55:35(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I don't think the fact that it was an employee is relevant and therefore whether or not they were clocked in is also irrelevant.
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Terry556		#9 Posted : 14 February 2012 14:05:17(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Even though the employee, has not clocked in or started work, because the accident happened on the business premises, then it is reportable
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Brett L Greenwood		#10 Posted : 14 February 2012 14:09:13(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Safety Smurf wrote: IMHO it's a RIDDOR. The employer owns the carpark and therefore it forms part of the workplace. The condition of the workplace was attributable to the accident and therefore the injury. The employer owes a duty to ensure safe means of access to and egress from the workplace. Many thanks for this smurf its really helpful and thanks to all that have posted.
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jde		#11 Posted : 14 February 2012 15:48:36(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		I would suggest it is reportable for the fact that the car park is in your possession and are therefore the employer has a duty to ensure safe access / egress to the work place.The journey itself is work related and therefore the resultant accident is work related and thus reportable if meeting the RIDDOR criteria.
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SW		#12 Posted : 14 February 2012 16:20:39(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I see where you are coming from jde regarding the car park. My opinion is that the commute or journey to work and going home at the end of the day is not work related and that HASAWA would not apply
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Brett L Greenwood		#13 Posted : 14 February 2012 18:20:38(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		SW wrote: I see where you are coming from jde regarding the car park. My opinion is that the commute or journey to work and going home at the end of the day is not work related and that HASAWA would not apply That was my thoughts on this as it was on the commute in and not connected to a work activity but it is connected in relationship to the connection of work. This is so easy to mis interpret I thought I'd put this to my peers and thanks all again for your help on this as its made me think of the way we grit in areas connected with the site.
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Ron Hunter		#14 Posted : 14 February 2012 22:56:40(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		HSE Guidance at http://www.hse.gov.uk/slips/faq.htm#icyconditions Suggests that where the area is under the control of the employer, HASAWA and therefore RIDDOR will apply.
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redken		#15 Posted : 15 February 2012 08:59:34(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I wonder if there is still time to amend the new draft RIDOOR to include a facility to report but say you are uncertain and for the HSE to make the decision and confirm back with a yes/no?
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tomorton		#16 Posted : 15 February 2012 13:37:50(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		It's reportable. The injured party was an employee on their own work premises, accessing these for the purposes of starting their contracted work. It is irrelevant that they were not at their individual work station or had not 'clocked in' nor whether the time of the incident was before their contracted 'clocking on' time.
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Brett L Greenwood		#17 Posted : 16 February 2012 08:01:11(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Just to expand on the scenario does it matter that the carpark was on the opposite side of the road to the actual place of work as the entrance to the main site and where she worked was fully ok
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RayRapp		#18 Posted : 16 February 2012 08:18:42(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		No, it makes no difference where the car park was located. As others have said, the company has a duty to ensure safe access and egress on their premises. Therefore as far as I am concerned it is a work related injury and RIDDOR reportable. Arising out of or in connection with their work is the phrase which ticks the box for me.
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