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Greabo  
#1 Posted : 14 February 2012 15:54:28(UTC)
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Greabo

During a recent 3rd party (Q, S & E) audit at our premises, the external auditor raised a corrective action on ourselves regarding the lack of fixed guarding on 2 Magnetic or 'Mag' Drills within our Fabrication Shop.

In the audit close out meeting at the end of the day we questioned his decision to raise this corrective action but he refused to back down and stated that "any moving spindles on drilling machines must be adequately guarded" and therefore the CA still stands.

Now it is of my opinion that these 'Mag' Drills do not require fixed guarding as they are classed as portable equipment, rather like a hand held pistol drill.
I have been working with and involved in work equipment of this nature for over 12 years and never seen a fixed guard on a drill of this type to date.

As a side issue - both Magnetic Drills in question are complete with emergency stop controls, have been fully risk assessed and are part of a strict maintenance regime.

Any comments or guidance on the issue would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Gooding39824  
#2 Posted : 14 February 2012 16:58:47(UTC)
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Gooding39824

There is guarding systems out there for these particular items please see attached links

http://www.championcutti...pdf/user_guide_rb65.pdf.

http://magneticdrills.co...etic_Drills/Unibor_EQ35N

I have requested the implementation of these guards, albeit adjustable ones due to the movement of the drilling head from the body in the past on magnetic based drills in fabrication facilities.

Unibor a very reputable magnetic drill manufacturer also supply these as standard with all new machines. For the cost of the guard against the risk I would certainly recommend retro fitting guarding to your machines.
paul.skyrme  
#3 Posted : 14 February 2012 18:11:46(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

These guards whilst available and valuable, will increase the overhead of using these portable and easily changed devices, so be prepared for some overhead in implementing this, financial & managerial!

Also I do believe the auditor is being a little over zealous.

You also need to be aware of possible initial decreases in quality due to the users getting things wrong with these guards interfering with their view of the cutting point.

Yes bits & spindles should be guarded as far as reasonably practicable...
johnmurray  
#4 Posted : 14 February 2012 18:52:06(UTC)
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johnmurray

The guards interfere little with the placement and operation of these devices.
The drill hole centre is usually centre-punched, the centre of the drill/cutter is located on that locator and then the guard is lowered and drilling/boring started. If the device moves off that locator it will be felt by the operator.
Got some additional guards if they are the polycarbonate type...they get marked and dirtied quite quickly. Failing that, buy the metal type.
The vertical cutters are prone to moving very rapidly off the centre mark....as in very rapidly....drills not so much....the operators tend to hold the machine just in case...the guards are unliked but necessary.
paul.skyrme  
#5 Posted : 14 February 2012 21:15:22(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

JohnMurray wrote:
The guards interfere little with the placement and operation of these devices.
The drill hole centre is usually centre-punched, the centre of the drill/cutter is located on that locator and then the guard is lowered and drilling/boring started. If the device moves off that locator it will be felt by the operator.
Got some additional guards if they are the polycarbonate type...they get marked and dirtied quite quickly. Failing that, buy the metal type.
The vertical cutters are prone to moving very rapidly off the centre mark....as in very rapidly....drills not so much....the operators tend to hold the machine just in case...the guards are unliked but necessary.


John,
Yes the holes may be centre punched, however, this will not assist in the location of the cutter as these "mag" drills are used with annular hole cutters, this is the science behind how they can cut such large diameter holes in such resilient materials as structural steel with such a low power requirement.
They tend to move on engagement, and unfortunately the centre punch mark does little to help the location of the drilled hole as there is no centre point in the annular cutter!
Unlike when used with a twist drill which has a centre point to locate.
Many of these "sorts" of machine are unsuitable for use with twist drills.

Oh and yes the guards do get damaged easily!
JJ Prendergast  
#6 Posted : 15 February 2012 00:26:24(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

The auditor may be correct.

You need to guard the drills following the guarding hierarchy given in Reg 11 of PUWER.

Remember dangerous parts of machinery must be guarded 'so far as is practicable' NOT reasonably practicable.

Remember from your diploma studies, this is a higher legal standard
johnmurray  
#7 Posted : 15 February 2012 08:26:23(UTC)
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johnmurray

Thankyou for your comment Paul.
I have used magnetically held drills for decades to bore/cut/ drill thousands of holes.
I suggest you look at rotabor cutters, which come with a telescopic centre locator.

http://www.reca-uk.com/r...5_497975539687718805.pdf

The magnetic attachments hold them very well as long as the material they are holding onto is clean, paint-free and the devices have undamaged bottoms.
THOUSANDS of holes ALL with guards used. I bave seen these machines come loose when working and shatter the cutters/drills.
NickH  
#8 Posted : 15 February 2012 14:53:19(UTC)
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NickH

Johnmurray has it pretty much spot on in my opinion (IMO).

In a previous incarnation, I used to deal with these things on a daily basis - primarily the Jancy Slugger.

The cutters have a pin in th ecentre which is effectively on a spring. This acts both as a locator, and as an ejector for the cut piece of metal which would otherwise jam inside the centre of the cutter.

Guards on these machines, whilst sometimes inconvenient, are necessary IMO - especially having seen a cutter explode at first hand.
paul.skyrme  
#9 Posted : 15 February 2012 17:57:36(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

john, nick,
I have never had the pleasure of the cutters with the centre pin!
Never been able to afford expensive ones like that, and to be honest, have never seen them, so I apologise, I guess that everyone I have worked with/for was too tight to buy good cutters too!
All of the cutters I have ever had exposer to as a user, supplier and when I was at a sharpening company have been plain annular.
Oh and yes I have seen them shatter, not pretty.

Worst was back in the 80's when an apprentice, one of the production operators thought it would be funny to turn off the power to the mag drill when the fitter was drilling steel work on the production line about 60 ft up.
Course, no power, no mag, on that model, drill, cable, cutter etc. crashing down into the middle of the line.
Not good!
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