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Gill Avis  
#1 Posted : 15 February 2012 12:00:42(UTC)
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Gill Avis

I wonder can anyone answer a fire safety question in terms of what is lawful or not in terms of RRFSO. The scenario is such: A manufacturing unit has sufficient escape routes throughout the building. Fire marshals are trained throughout all areas. Weekly Audits are up to date and fire precautions taken throughout all areas. Here is the challenge. The offices are based on a higher level with access by a single staircase. There is no other means of access/egress. The risk assessment identifies there is no second escape route nor windows and the only defence if trapped is fire fighting equipment. There is no way adjustments can be made to provide a second fire escape, space restrictions means the offices can not be relocated. Is this a breach of the law and do the company absolutley have to provide a second exit?
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 15 February 2012 12:06:50(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Gill Howard wrote:
I wonder can anyone answer a fire safety question in terms of what is lawful or not in terms of RRFSO. The scenario is such: A manufacturing unit has sufficient escape routes throughout the building. Fire marshals are trained throughout all areas. Weekly Audits are up to date and fire precautions taken throughout all areas. Here is the challenge. The offices are based on a higher level with access by a single staircase. There is no other means of access/egress. The risk assessment identifies there is no second escape route nor windows and the only defence if trapped is fire fighting equipment. There is no way adjustments can be made to provide a second fire escape, space restrictions means the offices can not be relocated. Is this a breach of the law and do the company absolutley have to provide a second exit?
Not necessarily, what's going on in the rest of the building? is there a fire escape at the bottom of the stairwell? Is the stairwell properly protected? The RRFSO moved away from prescriptive measures towards a risk based approach, decided on by the duty holder.
Gill Avis  
#3 Posted : 15 February 2012 15:48:23(UTC)
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Gill Avis

if my understanding is correct, should a fire situation result or have potential to cause people harm, the enforcing authority may hold accountable the responsible person because of the quality of the risk controls. Based on this circumstance where there is an entrapment hazard, what measures can the dutyholder take to satisfy RRFSO but more so, ensure human safety first and foremost? i do not know the building layout here so cannot say if the stairwell has a direct escape but i do know the factory below carries out controlled laser cutting and hot works.
Murray18822  
#4 Posted : 15 February 2012 16:04:10(UTC)
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Murray18822

The only means of escape from the offices should be a protected zone to the point of exit but that may only be relevant where there was a fire risk from the activities below in the factory. There are many situations such as you have described and there would be no single definitive answer - the hazards and associated risk to life should be identified and evaluated on the fire risk assessment.
chas  
#5 Posted : 15 February 2012 16:23:16(UTC)
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chas

As has already been said much depends on the activities, numbers of people involved, layout and travel distances etc. Can I suggest you have a look at the link below and look at the various senarios for two storey buildings/factories. This may help clarify things for you. http://www.communities.g...ents/fire/pdf/150952.pdf
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 15 February 2012 19:44:27(UTC)
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firesafety101

I have experienced something like I imagine this to be. Are the offices on a mezzanine and if so is the single stairway open. Depending on the level of risk down below there may need to be some additional fire precautions and even an additional fire exit? I may be completely wrong however?
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