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kingofdarkness  
#1 Posted : 14 February 2012 17:00:50(UTC)
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kingofdarkness

This may have been asked before, but i have may a search and don't semm to be able to find anything on this.

When are fire hoses required by law if at all, i can't recall anything to say they are, but will stand corrected if there is.

The main reason i ask is that i have come across that asks are fire hoses in place if not the operator / owner is to install them, i don't think this is correct?

Kind regards to all and appreciated any help in resolving ny query

James
messyshaw  
#2 Posted : 14 February 2012 18:48:52(UTC)
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messyshaw

Repeat all after: 'The main reason is.....' as I don't fully understand the question
fornhelper  
#3 Posted : 15 February 2012 10:30:05(UTC)
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fornhelper

Like 'messyshaw' don't fully understand the question but the need / type of fire fighting equipment should be established in the fire risk assessment.

We actually have removed fire hose reels and replaced them with stand alone water extinguishers. Main reason being fire hose reels may encourage staff to fight fire longer than they should - also issues around holding fire doors open, trip hazards, ongoing maintenance costs.

FH
kingofdarkness  
#4 Posted : 15 February 2012 10:47:16(UTC)
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kingofdarkness

kingofdarkness wrote:
This may have been asked before, but i have may a search and don't semm to be able to find anything on this.

When are fire hoses required by law if at all, i can't recall anything to say they are, but will stand corrected if there is.

The main reason i ask is that i have come across that asks are fire hoses in place if not the operator / owner is to install them, i don't think this is correct?

Kind regards to all and appreciated any help in resolving ny query

James


Sorry, I should have phased to question better.

Is there any legal required to install fire hoses?

I have come across a risk check list that asks if fire hoses are in place, and the standard answer is if not the owner / operator is to install them. I don't believe you could enforce this unless there was a legal required to do so, hence the question.
Andrew W Walker  
#5 Posted : 15 February 2012 10:51:03(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

We are having all of ours removed as we have enough extinguishers to aid in escape.

As already stated, hose reels may encourage people to fight a fire longer than they should without the correct training.

IMO, hose reels should = Fire & Rescue Service here. In other industries you may have specially trained people who would be able to use them.

Andy
Kate  
#6 Posted : 15 February 2012 13:59:56(UTC)
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Kate

The legal requirement is for "appropriate fire-fighting equipment" not for any specific type of fire-fighting equipment. For the precise legal wording, see: http://www.legislation.g...005/1541/article/13/made

For the reasons given above, hoses are very often not appropriate.

Where did the checklist come from?
kingofdarkness  
#7 Posted : 15 February 2012 15:16:22(UTC)
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kingofdarkness

Kate wrote:
The legal requirement is for "appropriate fire-fighting equipment" not for any specific type of fire-fighting equipment. For the precise legal wording, see: http://www.legislation.g...005/1541/article/13/made

For the reasons given above, hoses are very often not appropriate.

Where did the checklist come from?

Hi Kate,

thank you for your help, it was a check list that is being use in the industry that i work in, there are a number of them taken from guidance of a Federation so very broad and not very specific, but not very help when trying to do a risk assessment

Once again thank you for your help
kingofdarkness  
#8 Posted : 15 February 2012 15:18:06(UTC)
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kingofdarkness

Motorhead wrote:
We are having all of ours removed as we have enough extinguishers to aid in escape.

As already stated, hose reels may encourage people to fight a fire longer than they should without the correct training.

IMO, hose reels should = Fire & Rescue Service here. In other industries you may have specially trained people who would be able to use them.

Andy


Hi Andy,

Thank you for responding to my query

James
MB1  
#9 Posted : 15 February 2012 16:45:19(UTC)
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MB1

Use of fire hoses may also encourage people to attempt to fight fires and delay evacuation, especially when not regularly trained in fighting fires?
messyshaw  
#10 Posted : 15 February 2012 20:34:29(UTC)
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messyshaw

MB1 wrote:
Use of fire hoses may also encourage people to attempt to fight fires and delay evacuation, especially when not regularly trained in fighting fires?


That may be true, as is the risk of legionella (in the dead/still water inside) and fire hoses keeping fire doors wedged open during use, thereby allowing rapid smoke spread.

But it's a shame that the days of the hosereel are numbered, as they are so useful for keeping your car clean!!
Andrew W Walker  
#11 Posted : 16 February 2012 09:11:59(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

quote=messyshaw]
MB1 wrote:
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But it's a shame that the days of the hosereel are numbered, as they are so useful for keeping your car clean!!


Funny you should say that as that's the reason they want to keep one here!!

Andy
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