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roshqse  
#1 Posted : 21 February 2012 10:23:47(UTC)
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roshqse

Hello all.
I have recently taken up the post of QSE manager and one of the caveats was to study for and obtain my nebosh diploma. Which is fine, however having chatted to an IOSH Grad he recommended AGAINST the diploma and recommended the general certificate as being a better option.
His reasoning being that it would be more suitable for our requirements. (being more practical based in an engineering environment).
He suggested also that from there I would be able to study for other more relevant qualifications.
My employer has no problem with the costs involved, we just want to spend the money wisely for the benefit of the business.
Now I am confused as to the natural progression and options available to me.
I have only studied the IOSH Managing safely programme previously, but have lots of experience in H and S in my previous employments. (emergency services).

If I was to study the general certificate, what would be the next logical step after that?
Or should I go straight for the diploma then move on from there?
Or.... do I select something other than the General certificate?

I'm getting lost in the levels and choices!!

And how do I know what is a level 1, 2 or 3 etc?

Any help appreciated on this one! Please!!!!
walker  
#2 Posted : 21 February 2012 11:16:03(UTC)
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walker

Cert is a much lower qualification than the Dip
If you have not got any H&S quals then the Cert is a good start point and to be recommended
To leap straight into the Dip will be extreamely challenging
So you advice was good but its is not a question of one or the other

See Cert as step one then progress to the Dip

Just re-read - managing safely is even lower than Cert

Andrew W Walker  
#3 Posted : 21 February 2012 11:24:56(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

As Walker said.

Its not one or the other.

I too would advise cert then dip. There is the IEMA environmental course to consider too.

Make sure that you don't take on too much at once, speak to the people further up the food chain in your company and get a time frame off them that is both suitable for you and the company.

Good luck and have fun

Andy

Brett L Greenwood  
#4 Posted : 21 February 2012 11:28:14(UTC)
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Brett L Greenwood

In my opinion I would go for the certificate first as the diploma builds on the knowledge you gain through having studied the cert.

Hope this helps

B
Steve 40  
#5 Posted : 21 February 2012 11:43:39(UTC)
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Steve 40

The natural progression is the IOSH Managing / supervising, then the General cert and then the Diploma. Most providers offering the diploma course will ask for the general cert or equivalent as an entry level to be even able to register to take the diploma.
Lisa Boulton  
#6 Posted : 21 February 2012 13:00:36(UTC)
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Lisa Boulton

As with the other replies the natural progression would be a NEBOSH National General Certificate (NGC) and then studying for the NEBOSH diploma. This is the route that I took, I did the IOSH Managing Safely certificate in 2001 before I worked in H&S and then the NGC in 2005 once I had been working in H&S for 18 months and I then didn't start the diploma until 2009 and took two years to complete it.

In terms of the different levels there is a page on the Directgov website that explains things, it is titled 'Qualifications: What the different levels mean'.

The NGC is a level 3 qualification and it is the equivalent of an 'A' level and the diploma is a level 6 qualification which is the equilavent of a bachelors degree, hence why you should consider doing the NGC first and then progress to a higher level of study.

Of course NEBOSH aren't the only qualifications out there; the British Safety Council runs equilavent courses and there are also various levels of NVQ's that may also be suitable.

You should look at the various websites and look at the syllabus for each qualification, the study time required including any private study and also how the qualification is achieved such as exams, projects etc. and see how they suit you, your academic abilities and your work and home situations.

Good luck and feel free to contact me if you want to discuss any of this further.

lisa.boulton@harlow.gov.uk
mootoppers  
#7 Posted : 24 February 2012 13:34:02(UTC)
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mootoppers

Hi Rose

I'm one of the few who jumped straight into the diploma...was sent on the wrong course! Having said that, I did manage it although it was very, very tough and I felt extremely daft at many stages through the course. I already had a degree and masters degree so was fine with the level of study but my subjects (and job!) were not H&S related at all, hence the previous 'daft' comment! I would NOT have done it that way with hindsight and there have been times when I've actually considered going back to do the certificate just to see what I've missed!

Having said all that, I then changed professions entirely (to H&S) as I loved the challenge and still enjoy H&S enormously.

If I were you I would do the cert and then on to the diploma - solid qualifications and nationally recognised as the gold standard (in my opinion...no offence meant!)
mootoppers  
#8 Posted : 24 February 2012 13:35:03(UTC)
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mootoppers

Sorry - just realised that you're Rosh, not Rose...apologies.
NickH  
#9 Posted : 24 February 2012 17:29:46(UTC)
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NickH

mootoppers wrote:
If I were you I would do the cert and then on to the diploma - solid qualifications and nationally recognised as the gold standard (in my opinion...no offence meant!)



That's quite a sweeping statement there. I would suggest that those that have completed NVQ 4/ 5 would maybe disagree? Diffent routes to the same thing - horses for courses.
paul reynolds  
#10 Posted : 24 February 2012 20:53:04(UTC)
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paul reynolds

I work in the construction sector so my route was NEBOSH General Cert, the Construction Cert followed up with the NVQ4 and up to Chartered level through the open book exam and professional review, this for me was the best route taking into account work/ life balance and funding by either employer or self funded.

Think about not only your current role but also where you would like to be in say 5-10 years.

I am now looking at the environmental side of construction and hopefully will also look at the quality side of things after that

Regards

PaulR
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