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CliveLowery  
#1 Posted : 23 February 2012 16:26:03(UTC)
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CliveLowery

Hi all, I am after some advice regarding decent noise measuring equipment for use on various construction sites. We usually have in the region of 20 or more sites on the go at any one time. The usual tasks we carry out are use of Chopsaws, Cartridge Nail Tools, Gas Nail Tools, Circular Wood Saws, and Hand Held Grinders. There is no consistency in the specific environment(s), one day we could be in an enclosed area fixing top & bottom tracks, next day we could be on an open floor fixing external wall tracks or we could be in an open room using a chopsaw to cut through steel channel. Price is an issue but Value for Money is more important. Something simple and easy to use. Any advice on a suitable Noise Measuring Kit or where I could get some information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Clive
alan james  
#2 Posted : 23 February 2012 19:16:59(UTC)
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alan james

Clive Maplins do a pretty good one for about £40, Or failing that you can get some good sound Apps on the iPhones, which I found are on par with the one from Maplins. Is the noise monitoring for a client or your own records? You should also record your readings on a sheet for reference, this can be knocked up from word on your computer. Hope this helps Alan
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 23 February 2012 19:53:00(UTC)
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RayRapp

I concur with Alan, a cheapo sound level meter works fine and so does my app on my Iphone which cost me...can't remember, but I would guess nowt.
Victor Meldrew  
#4 Posted : 23 February 2012 21:00:46(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

As previous postings mentioned..... Soundmeter & deciBel - both very good apps & free.
Paul20402  
#5 Posted : 24 February 2012 10:54:15(UTC)
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Paul20402

Clive, I doubt very much if you could conduct a suitable and sufficient noise survey using an App from a phone? it may give you a figure as to how loud the noise is but that's about all. I imagine your aim is to protect the Health & Safety of the operator(s) using the noisy equipment and assisting your employer in complying with their duty of care. If so, you need to get yourself a calibrated sound level meter (either a type 1 or type 2) capable of measuring through the octave band levels to give you enough information to check against the attenuation figures that come with the ear protection provided. This can't be done using a phone App? You should also consider using personal dosemeters on the operators over a set period to see how much noise they have been exposed to during the time frame. Hope this helps, John
kdrum  
#6 Posted : 24 February 2012 11:38:53(UTC)
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kdrum

Very timely Clive as I have just got back to office after carrying out some noise readings in one of our textile workshops. I generally use this to ascertain if there is a noise problem and will use external company if further assessment is required. For this I use the Cirrus CR 822 which is an octave band integrated averaging sound meter. It allows various band readings and can be set to run over 15min, 30 min, 1hr and 8hrs to give peak and Leq readings Hope this helps
Canopener  
#7 Posted : 24 February 2012 16:04:27(UTC)
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Canopener

I am glad that Paul said it! While an i phone/Android app or a 'cheapo' meter might give you a general indication of the noise levels, I think it unlikely that either will allow you to provide a robust assessment that is likely to stand up to any significant scrutiny i.e. suitable and sufficient. Due to the nature of noise measurement, even relatively 'small' inaccuracies, can have a significant impact on the overall picture. You might end up spending money you don't need to or you might not possibly be protecting where you should be doing. Happy to be wrong! I suggest that you need a class 1 or 2 calibrated SPL meter to measure LEQ. It should be able to measure both A and C weighted levels (not sure if the apps mentioned do!) and ideally you should have your own calibrator. Determining the protection levels can be done using Octave Band Analysis, although this needs an appropriate meter capable of this and this can be quite tricky to do. There are 2 alternative methods, SNR and HML, both of which are IMO easier to use. I believe that both are acceptable to the HSE although I think that HML, which was developed by Bilsom is preferred. In saying that, quite a few manufacturers do provide the SNR value for their ear protection. While you can use a SPL meter to calculate LEPD this can be laborious, time consuming, requires lots of number crunching and is less accurate than using a fully integrated dosemeter. Most dosemeters will provide you with results in a number of formats. Again this should be of a suitable class and be calibrated. In fairness this may or may not suit the situation that you have described however, I personally would not rely on an i phone app as the basis for a formal noise assessment. Hope that helps and makes sense.
gramsay  
#8 Posted : 24 February 2012 20:55:17(UTC)
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gramsay

I was a sound engineer for 15 years in a previous life, and have long used cheapo meters (£20 maplin types, and now iPhone apps) alongside more comprehensive ones costing 100x more. The cheaper type are great. You can have one in the toolbox / pocket for an indicative reading which can help answer many questions, usually along the lines of "Might I have a problem here?" or "What's the scale of the effect I'm measuring?", but if the info you collect indicates you may have an issue to manage you really need to have a proper reading taken, by a properly qualified person, using a proper meter. The iPhone app I use does (SoundMeter by Faber Acoustical) offer A- and C-weighting, calculation of Leq, and even the ability to calibrate the internal mic (or any other connected input device), although it's STILL not going to be accurate, or reliable (better than anything else I've used, though). Frequency is important in measuring nuisance noise, and you can't trust that these toys are properly calibrated across the spectrum, and they all generally have a problem with really loud noise. Short answer: if you're measuring anything to check legal compliance, use the right kit in the right hands. Good luck with it, Clive
CliveLowery  
#9 Posted : 27 February 2012 23:13:50(UTC)
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CliveLowery

Hi Guys, Thanks for all the replies, as we are an accredited contractor by various organisations, any equipment used would need to be calibrated so I think the iphone Apps are ruled out - additonally I don't have an iphone, and most PC's ban the use of phones on site anyway. (Lets not go there) I was looking for more of a kit to include personal dosimeters as well as being able to measure surrounding noise for other persons affected and I will need to work out the protection levels. I now have some ideas to follow up. Cheers Clive
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