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james655  
#1 Posted : 27 February 2012 10:13:01(UTC)
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james655

I give an employee instruction to carry out a task and ensure by regular supervision that he is carrying out the task correctly. When does this change in that I need to give the employee training instead of instruction, or both. I can think of lots of examples. Manual handling, wearing a harness, marshaling a vehicle, using a photocopier, the list goes on. Interested to hear your thoughts on legal implications, company policy and good old common sense.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 27 February 2012 11:20:48(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I suggest a Court of Law would probably reach for the dictionary here! One working approach says that training supports the learning (key word) of an individual in how to do something. The obvious inference then is that training should include some defined and measurable outcome (i.e. a test of some sort). Information and instruction may support that training. My own view is that much of what is often called "training"....... isn't.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 27 February 2012 11:35:22(UTC)
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RayRapp

Agree with Ron, in that information, training and instruction could be task related and/ or safety related, but difficult to entangle the semantics as one could easily be the other in different circumstances. I dare say a sagacious lawyer could provide a better insight - does it really matter?
HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 27 February 2012 11:40:56(UTC)
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HSSnail

Interesting question. For me instruction is a specific list of actions to be followed in a given situation. Training is giving someone a deeper understanding so they can make their own (sometimes limited) decisions. Brian
Tigers  
#5 Posted : 27 February 2012 11:41:33(UTC)
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Tigers

Instruction is the giving of verbal information and training the action (which as Ron said) is the supporting of information by actually demonstrating the task and by the trainee showing some degree of competence themself. I know our Union bods have questioned this before and that is the reply that seem to satisfy them
james655  
#6 Posted : 27 February 2012 12:28:14(UTC)
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james655

But when do you provide training and not just instruction? Are you employees trained in everything they do? How do you determine, yes they need training, instruction will not suffice? Changing a cartridge on a photocopier, changing a water bottle on a water dispenser, guiding a vehicle?
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 27 February 2012 12:49:45(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Within the defined term, there are many ways to deliver "training". All involve a measurable outcome (e.g. the employer is content that the employee knows how to do something and demonstrates understanding). There is a discrete defined two-way interaction there. Issuing instruction, not involving that interraction, is something less than that? When and how do we decide the degree and the method of delivery required? - using our good friend the Risk Assessment!
jay  
#8 Posted : 27 February 2012 13:22:44(UTC)
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jay

Old HSE guidance, " A guide of to information, instructiuon & training -IND(G) 235L" informs that there is no legal definition of information, instructiuon & training and the three terms are linked. It goes on to state that:- Information means providing factual material which tells people about risks and health & safety measures Instruction means telling people what they should do Training means helping them lear how to do it, but can include information and instructions The operative word above is "learn" which imples that there is an element of checking/verifying that the learning objective has been realised, whether by practical assessments, quizes, tests etc. I do not have access to the old "5 Steps to Information, Instructions and Training IND(G)213L" but I recall that it clarifies in the same manner. Unfortunately, the replacement version, indg345 is so basic that it is of not much use.
pseudonym  
#9 Posted : 27 February 2012 15:20:48(UTC)
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pseudonym

Sort of reminds me of someting I picked up doing a Quality course many years ago - to help remember the difference between "education" and "training", just think of your reaction should your child come home from school to tell you "today we had sex training in school". Training, unlike information, education and possibly instruction has a very definate practical element ..
David Bannister  
#10 Posted : 27 February 2012 15:57:59(UTC)
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David Bannister

My understanding is that instruction is "the what" and training is "how" whilst education enables the answer to "why" as well as raising more questions.
james655  
#11 Posted : 28 February 2012 13:50:46(UTC)
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james655

But still nobody has answered the question? When does this change in that I need to give the employee training instead of instruction, or both. I can think of lots of examples. Manual handling, wearing a harness, marshaling a vehicle, using a photocopier, the list goes on.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#12 Posted : 28 February 2012 15:40:39(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

It is a simple iterative process. If you instruct a person to do ABC and do it @THIS@ way ie, in accordance with local rules, with accepted practice or with some ACoP etc, then all is well. It's an instruction. If you consider at the time or later as part of your supervisory responsibility that the task is not, or it not likely, to be completed as specified in the instruction given then training is necessary.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#13 Posted : 28 February 2012 15:43:19(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

You have a responsibility to follow up that cycle of training with further supervision, assessment or audit, since further training may be required. If you find yourself in that situation, the task must be managed accordingly - better training, change of task or personnel, close supervision etc. Don't pretend that you can and have given adequate instruction or effective teaching/training without testing the outcome.
jay  
#14 Posted : 28 February 2012 15:48:36(UTC)
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jay

There is no simple answer, but my own take, when instruction becomes training is that there is an element of checking by the employer via any one or combination of:- -supervision (informal assessment??) -formal assessment -tests/quizzes and so on that instructions have been actually understood and are being followed. The method of checking depends whether the instructions are simple/complex and the activity itself is simple or complex
Safety Smurf  
#15 Posted : 28 February 2012 16:26:43(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

I think the word instruction is being limited to the act of didactic teaching. Don't forget that a mandatory sign is giving an instruction, operating manuals give instructions.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#16 Posted : 28 February 2012 18:48:22(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Ian.Blenkharn wrote:
If you instruct a person to do ABC and do it @THIS@ way .....
Instruction can be given in many ways, as can the training. However it happens, it can and should be measured and assessed, and probably repeated periodically to reinforce the message, to accommodate and changes in process and procedure etc. A mixed medium message is generally most successful. It is necessary also to ensure that the individual(s) who deliver, or cause to be delivered, the instruction or training are in every case fully up to the task. Supervision will help ensure that instruction and training are successful. Effective audit is a specific skill that must be learned to be fully effective, but if done properly is an important additional tool that both compliments and validates instruction and training.
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