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SNS  
#1 Posted : 07 March 2012 13:36:07(UTC)
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SNS

Question is in the title. Currently being audited to bits against a load if different organisations. Does 18001 add value? Rgds, S
jay  
#2 Posted : 07 March 2012 14:28:25(UTC)
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jay

It depends upon the reasons why an organisation seeks certification to OHSAS 18001, which in turn are likely to depend upon a variety of factors. When implemented properly for the RIGHT REASONS, it should add value
redken  
#3 Posted : 07 March 2012 14:41:21(UTC)
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redken

"Currently being audited to bits against a load if different organisations." Way back when we preparing for BS5750 and the IISRS stars my boss joked that if you had a fall on our site you would have a nice safe landing on all the paperwork. I have never seen any evidence in the next 25 years that these systems are any more than just paperwork.
jay  
#4 Posted : 07 March 2012 16:14:12(UTC)
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jay

There is IOSH Guidance, "Systems in Focus- Guidance on occupational safety and health management systems" http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...ca257a19c&version=-1 Section 7 covers advantages & disadvantages
blodwyn  
#5 Posted : 08 March 2012 10:41:19(UTC)
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blodwyn

Wouldnt be without it - adds structure, governance and framework. And remember you dont need the certificate - its the 'management' bit that makes it so essential in my book.
NEE' ONIONS MATE!  
#6 Posted : 08 March 2012 15:36:30(UTC)
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NEE' ONIONS MATE!

You can get into a vicious circle wth standards like 18001 - specified as requirements in tender documents that prospective contractors and suppliers strive to achieve. Some of the best management systems are developed in house, tailored to fit the business, rather than forced to fit. Have a look at some basic HS(G)65 type stuff and set your own standard.
roshqse  
#7 Posted : 08 March 2012 16:19:31(UTC)
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roshqse

"forced to fit" That is certainly my experience. Though I have to stress it does bring uniformity, structure, governance etc. All good things. However it does seem sometimes we spend more time satisfying the auditor than actually benefiting from the standard. Maybe it (and I include 9000 and 14000 in this) needs to be less rigid and prescriptive and more a "framework". More of an aid than a target?
MGR  
#8 Posted : 08 March 2012 18:44:19(UTC)
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MGR

Work with 9001, 14001 & 18001. Adds structure and guidance and if belief is there from the top down with support, helps to stop some silliness especially with sales personnel. Worth the effort if you think it through and match processes, 15 procedures cover all 3 standards.
Victor Meldrew  
#9 Posted : 09 March 2012 20:26:29(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Just began auditing a company yesterday who has 18001..... against the standard. They use mobile gantry’s and lifting equipment as part of their business operations. I asked to see their lifting plan and SSOW, RAs and/or MS..... they're still looking for them. Nuff said.
RayRapp  
#10 Posted : 10 March 2012 09:45:29(UTC)
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RayRapp

Following on from Victor's comments, I think 18001 is indicative of many of the initiatives now in industry where the focus appears to be on the processes rather than the outcome. Those organisations who truly want to improve their systems and processes will no doubt get some benefits from prescriptive standards like 9001, 14001, 18001. However, many organisations achieve those standard simply because clients or prospective clients require it as part of the procurement process. You could of course have a fully compliant 18001 system but a poor health and safety culture, that is the thing I find difficult to reconcile. It's a case of never mind the quality, feel the width. Indeed, I have worked in a number of organisations where they have these standards but in truth their systems and documentation are...pants. Meanwhile, suffering from death by audit at the moment - a CDM audit to look forward to next week.
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