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MarkCurtis  
#1 Posted : 15 March 2012 10:09:59(UTC)
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MarkCurtis

I work on a contract where the client has just has just changed the contract frequency requirement for PAT Testing which was every two years, to every four years. This means that the PAT records and the stickers on the applicances will show that service is out of date, but the requirement for testing (required by the client) may not be for another 18 months. What would be the best practice going forward, i.e. re-test and start new requirement from new test date (which the client would not be happy about). Can the stickers be removed from the appliances and the client agreement attached to the PAT records? This is a multiple site contract with a large geographical spread.
Alan Armer  
#2 Posted : 15 March 2012 10:36:33(UTC)
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Alan Armer

Be aware that there is often a difference between contract requirements and risk. To answer your direct question, and given that they want everything checking every 4 years then the next test date should be 4 years after the last test: - doing that will meet CONTRACT requirements but no necessarily duty of care or even ‘guarantee’ continuing safety. Are they saying that testing MUST be every 4 years or at a maximum period of 4 years? Whatever they say PAT must be based on both Risk and the items in use. For example a laptop PC that frequently has its power supply plugged in and out will have a higher risk of damage to the supply plug, so the frequency of test must be higher. On the other hand a desktop PC that remains constantly plugged in has very little risk of damage so the frequency could (probably) be closer to 4 years. Note that there are no absolute rules because every organisation is different. If in doubt go to the professionals ie The code of practice for in-service inspection and test (COP) (from the IET I think) table 7.1 gives guidance. Back to your question: - It's probably easier to start again (but possibly more costly) but at least you know where you are. Importantly I refer to my earlier comment - is it a maximum of 4 years or actually 4 years - especially important as you will retain responsibility (to an extent) for equipment safety.
Lawlee45239  
#3 Posted : 15 March 2012 10:43:06(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

MarkCurtis wrote:
I work on a contract where the client has just has just changed the contract frequency requirement for PAT Testing which was every two years, to every four years. This means that the PAT records and the stickers on the applicances will show that service is out of date, but the requirement for testing (required by the client) may not be for another 18 months. What would be the best practice going forward, i.e. re-test and start new requirement from new test date (which the client would not be happy about). Can the stickers be removed from the appliances and the client agreement attached to the PAT records? This is a multiple site contract with a large geographical spread.
DO you have that in writing from the client? TO forward to your insurance company.
MarkCurtis  
#4 Posted : 15 March 2012 11:13:11(UTC)
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MarkCurtis

Alan, thanks for your reply - the contract requirement is every 4 years, so we would carry out the next PAT test a couple of months before the due date. Some sites PAT testing has now expired according to the records, but not the contract amendment. For the time being, I have put the written contract amendment from the client with PAT test results on site for auditing purposes, but I still have the issue where Portable Appliance stickers are showing out of date. Lawlee45239, thanks for your reply - I do have this in writing, but have not forwarded to the insurance company.
Thomo  
#5 Posted : 15 March 2012 11:14:19(UTC)
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Thomo

Hi Mark My first thoughts are a blanked four year PAT test is unrealistic due to different types of equipment and different periods of use i.e. an electric hand drill use daily all over the site would have a higher risk of failure than a static photocopier used once a month, and who is using the equipment, a electrician. Secondly your insurance (not the client) normally request testing schedules and records. If an electrical item failed tomorrow and someone was injured would your insurance or the clients insurance foot the bill! I’m sure it would be you. Even if the client does request four yearly PAT testing how can it be wrong to continue on your own 2 yearly testing. There is no legislation on stickers on appliances so you can ammend as you see fit. If it was me I would thank the client for its recommendations and keep the system as is, after all the equipment will be in date and safe. I hope this helps
ExDeeps  
#6 Posted : 15 March 2012 11:28:49(UTC)
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ExDeeps

Sorry, but i think the OP is mixing up a Safety Management Issue/Decision on the Clients part with a Commercial Issue on his part. Reading the post he supplies a PAT service to a company who have decided for whatever reason they wish to extend the periodicity between PAT. Covering up a halving of income on the contract (i.e. payed for a test evey 4 years not every 2 years) as a safety issue. By all means express your concerns, allow the client to respond, save the response if you really think you need to then move on and get another contract to fill up the spare time... Jim
Thomo  
#7 Posted : 15 March 2012 11:35:46(UTC)
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Thomo

Sorry I posted my post at the same time (60 secs) so did see last post
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 15 March 2012 13:12:15(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The employer informs his employees that any appliance with a date of test <4 years old is OK. Date of next test (if this is on the label) to be ignored. I disagree with Alan A. I doubt that the contractor will retain a responsibility for equipment safety. PAT test is an MOT type test - safe on the day. Presumably the employer is otherwise running a decent system of formal inspections - he may even choose to relabel them himself.
Big Nick  
#9 Posted : 15 March 2012 13:42:43(UTC)
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Big Nick

As long as there is some sort of maintenance regime in place (before use visual checks, monthly checks, whatever), PAT is not a legal requirement according to Elec Regs. It is however good practice.
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