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Cassidy33845  
#1 Posted : 16 March 2012 11:17:12(UTC)
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Cassidy33845

We have techs who leave their base and can drive for 30mins to reach their workplace for that day. I'm looking for members' views on how we would stand if we insisted that, having provided them with hand cleaning equipment and chemical toilet facilities, they should have their lunch break in their van. Otherwise their time away from their workplace could be 90mins.
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 16 March 2012 11:26:21(UTC)
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Hi, It's a bit difficult to put it into context without a little more detail. What toilets do they use at the moment?
Tomkins26432  
#3 Posted : 16 March 2012 11:32:54(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

Many of us are peripatetic workers and spend all day away from the office/base, it's a matter of assessing what conditions your staff are exposed to: Here in the Wildlife Trusts we send staff and volunteers out for short days to do practical work on nature reserves, where they have little in the way of facilities bar fresh water, hand cleansers and a mini-bus to shelter in. But everybody knows what to expect, the days are short, if anybody feels not up to it they don't go and if the weather gets bad they just come back to the office. If you expect staff to do longer days in more difficult conditions then more facilities should be provided, in a previous post we offered a lunch allowance if staff were more than 3 miles from office at lunch time. Sufficient to cover a cafe lunch where they could use facilities. Hope that helps a little?
sean  
#4 Posted : 16 March 2012 11:39:14(UTC)
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Six miles or further away from the workplace subsistence paid £6, as stated by Tomkins most cafés have facilities the workers can use. You will probably find that you make a saving as the cost of petrol/diesel used for each return trip every lunch time would be far higher than £6
Safety Smurf  
#5 Posted : 16 March 2012 11:41:05(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

I was trying to establish if they're expected to drive for 30 minutes when they get caught short?
Tomkins26432  
#6 Posted : 16 March 2012 11:46:28(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

Sounds a bit extreme - driving 30 minutes to use a loo? You could put on your vehicle safety check sheet "Have you been to the loo before you set off?"
Cassidy33845  
#7 Posted : 16 March 2012 11:50:34(UTC)
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Cassidy33845

I should have pointed out that their workplaces can be on forestry commission land and areas such as this i.e. not close to any facilities. Toilet arrangements can be addressed by issuing chemical packs e.g. http://www.traveljohn.co.uk/#. The main discussion is in their rights should they insist that they eat at the base (30mins drive away) or whether the van can be classed as suitable.
Cassidy33845  
#8 Posted : 16 March 2012 11:56:22(UTC)
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Cassidy33845

I think that this may answer my question: (4) As respects any workplace which is in fields, woods or other land forming part of an agricultural or forestry undertaking but which is not inside a building and is situated away from the undertaking’s main buildings— (a)regulations 5 to 19 and 23 to 25 shall not apply to any such workplace; and (b)any requirement to ensure that any such workplace complies with any of regulations 20 to 22 shall have effect as a requirement to so ensure so far as is reasonably practicable. http://www.legislation.g...2/3004/regulation/3/made
Safety Smurf  
#9 Posted : 16 March 2012 12:10:55(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

What do you mean by 'hand cleaning equipment'?
Tomkins26432  
#10 Posted : 16 March 2012 16:05:06(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

Hand cleaning equipment - might mean materials as a better term: fresh water anti-bacterial hand soap and wetwipes. Working in the field all day, exposes our teams to hazards, although Weil's disease seems to be the that scares most we've had a crypto incident that came down to a surveyor not washing their hands before eating their sandwiches.
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