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I am aware that 'designer' has a wide definition under CDM and designer duties can be shared but, how do you identify the 'Lead Designer' if there is more than one designer? For example, if the Client, PC and Main Contractor cannot agree who is the Lead Designer because they all potentially have designer duties.
Thanks for your comments in advance.
Ray
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Isn't the Client in charge and in a position to determine these matters by contract terms?
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Supposing the Client, PC and Main Contractor all have 'designer' duties?
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Sorry, already said that in my first post. Supposing the Client dictates what equipment is to be used and installed?
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Yes, by doing that he could well be construed as participating in design and the onus to ensure (and communicate) at least one safe method to build that design would rest with him. Not uncommon. Not uncommon for Clients also to reject a proferred design in favour of their own, usually on cost grounds.
That doesn't necessarily make him the "lead" designer though - which is what I thought you were driving at.
I hate to say it, but other parties involved need to ensure there's a robust record of who decided what and the advice that may have been given and rejected in that context.
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Anyone who has the role of 'designer', who is undertaking some aspect of the design work has designer duties. Most importantly to consider the health and safety aspects of their design and co-operate with other designers to communicate health and safety issues between the parties.
Each designer must consider the implications of their design on other aspects of the design.
What exactly do you need the role of lead designer for? Under CDM there is no 'lead designer' role - all designers have the duties of a designer to comply with.
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RayRapp wrote:I am aware that 'designer' has a wide definition under CDM and designer duties can be shared but, how do you identify the 'Lead Designer' if there is more than one designer?
It's not a formal role with duties, so if you decide you want one on your project, you decide however you see fit.
You don't need one, so if it's not clear who it is, or you can't get agreement within the project team who it is, then I'd say you simply don't have one.
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The Lead Designer bit may be confusing, so let's say the 'Designer' as per the F10.
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Surely the Designer is appointed by the Client and is named on the F10 (or other method of notifying)?
Once the project is underway and others get involved with aspects of design work and they just become "other" designers.
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F10 angle doesn't help clarify Ray, requirement is to notify detail of any designer already engaged.
There can be any number of specialist designers involved in a project (structural, M&E, etc.). Being noted on the F10 doesn't infer any heirarchy or "lead" status.
As with any Project, the Client bears the heavy and ultimate burden. This isn't always apparent to Clients of course as the HSE tend to focus more on the construction phase.
Is the issue her not more about who makes the ultimate (informed) decision on any part of a Project? Sometimes the Client will make such decisions -they will after all usually have a Project Lead role. The best other parties can do is advise him of CDM duties, the pitfall of any poor decision, and keep a record.
If the Client is intent on adopting some really calamitous design decision there is then the ultimate action of walking away from the Project.
Irrespective of the chosen design, it has to comply with building codes and capable of being built and maintained safely. Provided those conditions can be met, the Client can be afforded the odd "dabble" in design?
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Thanks Ron, very perceptive as usual. I have been trying to be subtle (don't do subtle as a rule) but the argument is the Client should be the designer as they are stipulating the type of kit which is to be installed...they of course deny this gives them the Designer status eg F10. CDM - don't you just love it!
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Designer.
Any person (including a client, contractor or other person referred to in CDM 2007) who in the course or
furtherance of a business either prepares or modifies a design; or arranges for or instructs someone under
their control to do so. The design relates to a structure; or a product, a mechanical or electrical system
intended for a particular structure. A person is deemed to prepare a design where a design is prepared by
a person under their control.
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