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Although I have a health and safety role at the present moment I feel that I am not going to progress as I only have the Nebosh General Certificate.Although i have about 6 years experience I feel what most employer look at if some one has a diploma relevant of there experience.Could anyone advise me the best distant learing course as I feel I can't more forward without the diploma.
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Hi Derek.
As you are currently employed in an HSE role - I would suggest the NVQ route.
I did it this way and got my employer to pay for the course as part of my development but with a pay back clause decreasing the longer I stayed with the company.
I also got a lot of practical experience in developing and implementing new procedures etc. So a win win for both parties.
Gaining the NVQ allowed me GRADiosh status and that is where the oppotrtunities started coming in.
And the NVQ is classed as level 6 - just as the Dip - but my employer was happier with someone who had proved themselves rather than someone who was class taught only.
Give me a shout if you wish to discuss further
David
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Hi David
As i am funding this myself as my employer won't sponser me.I don't see the point of forking out the same money for the NVQ then the same for the diploma.I would rather do the diploma than paying twice to get the same result.As I found out most employers are looking for the diploma.Thanks for the feed back most appreciated.
Derek
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Hi Derek,
have you tried a google search? It brings up quite a few providers..
I know a few people who did theirs via RRC and had no problems with the provider, just the shear amount of work. Is a course of study not an option? Woodwards SHE are a good provider based in Carlisle with associate trainers in Scotland, but I'm not sure if they do distance learning.
PM me if you want more details.
Regards
Clive
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Hi Clive
I have research a few I know Shields are the cheapest but the trouble is sitting my exams in Scotland.RRC is one of the dearest on paper but they include my exam at Glasgow Caledonian Unversity.
Derek
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Derek,
I would have to agree with David. The NVQ Level 5 Diploma is still a level 6 on the NQF (Same as NEBOSH Dip). Both qualifications allow you to register as Grad IOSH and the only difference is how you then progress to CMIOSH. if you have done NEBOSH Dip you must complete a skills development portfolio (Similar to NVQ Dip) and if you did NVQ then you complete the open assessment (NEBOSH Dip questions). For me personally the NQV shows the practical application of your knowlegde and skills and proves that you can do the job.
If you do chose this route I would recommend SHIELDS as a great provider and very good on price too.
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Derek,
Look at the options and chose what is best for you whether academic of vocational - it’s about you and your learning style.
Both options have advantages and disadvantages with these two most popular recognised routes to CMIOSH.
If I had my time again I personally would not chose either of the two above - I would look to undertaking an Msc in either safety or risk management - most university's offer pathways so you would commence with a Post Grad Cert - moving onto a Post Grad Dip and then submitting a dissertation for the full award.
On being awarded the PGC - this satisfies the IOSH criteria for graduate status.
The logic being - the PCG takes approximately 9 months to complete, so you would most likely gain graduate status much quicker and end up with a much higher qualification in the long run……………………..
Each module is about 2.5 to 3 k.
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Derek
For me the NVQ route suited both me from the cost side but also the time required. I did not have the luxury of having one day a week to attend the course so took the NVQ route, which took just over 9 months to complete this also included my wife having a baby so time became even more precious ie evenings and weekends. From the employers point of view as I am now CMIOSH this appears to be of greater interest than how you got there and have never found the NVQ to have any negative feedback from employers.
Which ever route you choose, it must be right for you and your learning style and remember to enjoy it as at some point you will hate it, but it will be worth it in the end.
PaulR
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Update of PGC, looked at it this year to start in September 2012 and distance learn from Portsmouth, price likely to be in the high 7 or 8K region in line with new tuition fees as per this government's changes.
NVQ 5 maybe 2K and done with evidence of your competence in your own workplace.
NVQ 5 is set at level 7 diploma, equivalent level to PGC, PGD and Masters so actually not a lower qualification as intimated in previous posts.
When it comes to attaining chartered status you will need to pass the open assessment exam, interview and CPD.
If you go the diploma route, Level 6 qualification, for Chartered membership you will need to do a skills portfolio, essentially a mini NVQ, interview and CPD.
so pays your money and takes your chances.
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Up north - you were quoted 7 to 8 k for a PGC? Or was this for the full Msc which is about right (read my post).
The NVQ Level 5 you refer to at Level 7 no longer exists (to the best of my knowledge) and it’s a level 8 - PM me and I'll send you information on it. This was an award for Managers who manage practitioners - I know because I hold this qualification.
The NVQ Level 5 Diploma noted in this posting in the new one replacing the previous NVQ Level 4 - which is a level 6 qualification.
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Additionally I agree with DP that 7-8K for a PGCert does sound alot! I'm doing one at the moment via distance learning, which is costing around £3,600 in total. However I know that since I started universitys have been given alot more freedom on what they can charge, so as DP suggeests check that you've got it right and that it is for a PGCert, and if it is it might be worth checking what other universitys offer.
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I have just completed a post graduate level 6 Diploma with the British Safety Council. This was done using the distance learning facility. I found the course to be most rewarding and informative. (the course notes and content were remarkably similar to NEBOSH Diploma). This will afford me GradIOSH status.
As i funded this myself, there was significant saving between the costs of the two.
It took me about 18 months to complete and comprises of:
Unit 1 - Practical health and safety mangement (3 hour exam)
Unit 2 - Safeguarding people's health in the workplace (2 hour exam and 5000 word assignment)
Unit 3 - Health and safety culture and business (10,000 word assignment on implementing culture change).
The cost to me when i set out on the course was around £2.5k (costs may have risen)
if you want any further information, feel free to get in touch.
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Things do change and the old level 4 now appears at level 5 in QCF, whereas it was level 6 before, now the level 5 appears as a level 7.
as for costs, if you started PGc last year or year before 3-4 K is correct, however like my daughter at university, she will continue at the old rates, however us newbie will have to pay the full whack. Only place I know its available for the 3-4k price is Herriot Watt in Edinburgh as they are Scotland and have different fees structure.
hope this helps
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Finding the quore of £7 - 8K a little on the high side as well, this kind of figure I would put for almost the entire course costs to attain the MSc itself.
For my own benefit have looked into several options to achieve the MSc (Safety & Risk Management) via various universities up here in Scotland
For Academic Year 2012/2013
Robert Gordon in Aberdeen -
•£3,284 Stage 1 (Post Grad Cert)
•£3,284 Stage 2 (Post Grad Dip)
•£2,192 MSc dissertation stage
http://www.rgu.ac.uk/bus...aftey-and-risk-managment
Heriot Watt, Edinburgh
8x Courses plus dissertation - £900 per item = £8100 total)
http://www.postgraduate.hw.ac.uk/course/244/
Strathclyde University, Glasgow
•£3,000 Stage 1 (Post Grad Cert)
•£3,000 Stage 2 (Post Grad Dip)
•£2,600 MSc dissertation stage
http://www.strath.ac.uk/srm/
As for the post grad cert giving instant access to Grad IOSH, this is NOT the case, out of the above ONLY the Strathclyde Uni version is approved by IOSH at Grad IOSH status - would suggest contacting IOSH Membership for further details.
All the above are via distance learning options.
Hope this helps
Alex
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Thanks for that Alex - I was under the incorrect impression that a PGC in safety and risk disciplines gained Gradosh status.
I still stand by my advice about the Msc, but with the added - in light of Alex's research - check that the PGC does gain the above status 1st.
When practitioners reach CMIOSH many continue studies past their level 6 qualification - by doing the pathway you will save yourself some money in the long run.
I stress again - these are the individuals choices and its up to the person themselves - I merely advised what I would do starting again with my personal experiences gained.
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All very new to Iosh and in a very similar position to Derek B.
Just thought I'd pipe up to say that all your posts have been helpful to me and my career progression path.
Thanks
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Thanks everybody for some great info. The post Grad £8000 plus way to pricey in this climate, Shields have offered my a distant learing cousrse,my Nebosh fee and my examination fees for £1900 inclusive sitting exams in Dunfermline. I think this is more realistic in the current climate any thoughts.
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