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KevMac  
#1 Posted : 02 April 2012 08:31:35(UTC)
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KevMac

Is it just me, or does anyone else think the register has got worse since the new regional categories have been added? I objected to this idea when it came out - I think you should just select your area by the Counties that you cover. If I was a prospective searcher, I'd give up pretty early looking through this hotchpotch. ...and now we have the added insult of it costing £60 (talk about taxes on business).
Pilkington20876  
#2 Posted : 02 April 2012 09:00:14(UTC)
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Pilkington20876

Can some one from OSHCR Explain why we the HSE Specialist are now being asked to pay and increase off 100% on somethink that for me personally has not brought one perspective customer in . If you keeping going down this road people will leave and the HSE culture and support will go with Im reluctant to pay for some think that in my oppion isnt working and I agree it should stay as counties. Tax seems to come to mind were actually does the money go does any one know regards
David Bannister  
#3 Posted : 02 April 2012 09:21:51(UTC)
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David Bannister

It's made absolutely no difference to me. I've had exactly the same volume of work from OSHCR (a nice round number). It was clear that the initial £30 was only on offer for early registration so the renewal fee of £60 should be no surprise. Also , it is a purely voluntary scheme that consultants can choose to suport or not. Maybe if plenty of disgrunteld consultants leave the scheme there will be more enquiries for the remainder. Today I am an extreme optimist!
ianjones  
#4 Posted : 02 April 2012 09:31:44(UTC)
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ianjones

Isn't this the same with any voluntary agreement If IOSH is serious about CMIOSH and the OSHCR being the way forwards, why not put it into the code of conduct that any person operating as a consultant with IOSH membership must be registered on the scheme and hold CMIOSH status To be fair to individuals who are not at that status yet, IOSH could give them a reasonable time frame to achieve this (2-3 years) and then impose it. Any person found operating as a consultant and not at CMIOSH level within IOSH can then be examined through our code of conduct process. this would at least give the scheme legitimacy within our own ranks! what do you think?
Heather Collins  
#5 Posted : 02 April 2012 09:44:51(UTC)
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Heather Collins

The ludicrous way in which the register's search engine displays results means that unless your first name begins with A or B, the client is going to have died of boredom before they find you. I agree with KevMac about the regional system. I just did a search for "south west" and "manufacturing". It pulls up over 700 names (most of whom apparently cover the whole country anyway) and I'm on page 26. Not much chance of anyone ever bothering to look that far is there? Why not randomise the search results each time?
chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 02 April 2012 10:15:38(UTC)
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chris.packham

Ian Your suggestion that anyone who is a member of IOSH must have chartered status to operate as a consultant on the OSHCR raises and interesting point. Membership of the OSHCR is not exclusive to IOSH. What about the person who qualifies for registration, e.g. as FOHS, FIIRSM, etc., but is only an affiliate or graduate member of IOSH? I don't see how IOSH could reasonably take action against them as you are proposing as their membership of the registar would not be as a member of IOSH.
JJ Prendergast  
#7 Posted : 02 April 2012 10:31:44(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

I'm not on the OSCHR I'm no longer a member of IOSH (I was CMIOSH) IOSH, in my view no longer gave any benefit to me. I still work very much 'in' safety - in the oil/gas sector, on the design safety side of project engineering (onshore and offshore) I still very much need to know about CDM, PUWER etc I regularly undertake safety studies using process safety risk analysis techniques - HAZOP, HAZIDs, PHA, SIL etc. I work via my own Ltd company. My aspect of safety, is very much engineering/technically based. So what do I trade as? An 'Engineer', 'Safety Consultant', 'Safety Engineer', 'Loss Prevention Engineer', 'Consulting Engineer' To me , therein lies the problem with the OSCHR. There is no legal requirement to be on the register, there is no legal requirement to be a member of IOSH. IOSH can take no action against me for trading as a 'Safety Consultant' if I decided to, as I do not need to be a member. Afterall, I could claim to be a 'Consulting Engineer', which covers a wide range of activities. As others have reported no business generated from being on the register, I see no benefit in being on the register. I generate my work via contacts I have, agencies and new contacts. I'm not sure that many other organisations are aware of the OSCHR. I would have thought that most companies wanting advice/need to find a 'safety consultant' will either Google or use the Yellow Pages As I have previously stated a career in safety has many aspects, until someone can define what a 'safety consultant' is/does - then you might get somewhere with OSCHR.
decimomal  
#8 Posted : 02 April 2012 11:17:34(UTC)
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decimomal

I have not signed up yet but have already lost one potential client. It seems that their local authority inspector advised them that their health and safety advisor should be on the register and I was not able to persuade them otherwise.
John M  
#9 Posted : 02 April 2012 11:21:59(UTC)
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John M

Exactly my sentiments JJ. What is so special about those holding CMIOSH? Jon
RayRapp  
#10 Posted : 02 April 2012 11:26:25(UTC)
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RayRapp

I never joined the OSCHR, on principle because I did not agree there was a need for it and also because I thought it would be a white elephant. The latter appears to be the case judging from the responses so far. Anyone got something positive to say about it?
John M  
#11 Posted : 02 April 2012 11:51:24(UTC)
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John M

Excellent "Letter of the Month" in the April edition of BSC publication Safety Management re subject matter. Jon
Mr.Flibble  
#12 Posted : 02 April 2012 12:00:19(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Does anyone outside the world of H&S even know that the register exists? If I didn't come on this forum, I wouldn't even know it existed! If I needed a consultant I would do what everyone else does, word of mouth and Google! Is it anything more that CHAS, Safe Contractor, EXOR......a money making schemes! Give it a few months their will be something else coming out that 'you must be a member of or you wont get work'!
Heather Collins  
#13 Posted : 02 April 2012 12:04:00(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Please don't turn this into another "IOSH is rubbish and all CMIOSH think they are special" thread! We had quite enough of that last year and the only conclusion is "horses for courses". Some of us HAVE gained work because of the magic letters after our name, others do very nicely without it. Both are happy with their approach. Getting back to talking abut the actual register itself. Yes I have got more work through this forum and through a free Yell listing than from OSHCR. I gave it a whirl last year just to see. I may well not bother this year. £60 seems a lot of money for no proven leads (personal view - YMMV)
SP900308  
#14 Posted : 02 April 2012 12:45:35(UTC)
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SP900308

I was unable to join due to elitism, urrrhhhhmmmm, sorry I mean specific standard required:) Oh well, I'll have to spend my £60 on something worthwhile instead..... If I put it into an ISA, I could attend an IOSH conference in, say..... 10 years! Keep smiling.
KevMac  
#15 Posted : 02 April 2012 15:01:34(UTC)
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KevMac

Thanks - some interesting views, and I hope someone 'upstairs' feeds this back to OSHCR, seeing as all I got was a nonsensical response in my email to them before the change. Needless to say, as a middle-ranking person on the register (alphabetically), I've had no business. However, I have found it useful to say to clients that I can't help: look at the Register. What did we have before? IOSH RSP list (equally inaccessible, in my opinion) - someone mentioned Google: hmmmmm
JohnW  
#16 Posted : 02 April 2012 17:07:22(UTC)
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JohnW

ianjones wrote:
If IOSH is serious about CMIOSH and the OSHCR being the way forwards.....
Ha, how CAN they be serious about OSHCR? It in no way guarantees a competent consultant. I raised the issue elsewhere about some of the 'mail-order' CDM-C profiles on there.
albaug100  
#17 Posted : 04 April 2012 18:40:48(UTC)
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albaug100

I just wanted to lend my support who belive that the search engine is now "not fit for purpose" This needs immeadiate attention if the register is to maintain credibility. I suggest it goes back to first principles before looking again. I was directed to "renew membership" this button did not exist. I paid any way (i assume they took the view i was a new user) and was then delisted!! I have written a "stiff" e-mail to the administrator to get it sorted others i am sure have done the same.
frankc  
#18 Posted : 04 April 2012 22:34:08(UTC)
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frankc

KevMac wrote:
Thanks - some interesting views, and I hope someone 'upstairs' feeds this back to OSHCR, seeing as all I got was a nonsensical response in my email to them before the change. Needless to say, as a middle-ranking person on the register (alphabetically), I've had no business. However, I have found it useful to say to clients that I can't help: look at the Register. What did we have before? IOSH RSP list (equally inaccessible, in my opinion) - someone mentioned Google: hmmmmm
Might have just solved your problem. Kev. http://www.theukdeedpolloffice.co.uk/ £15 to change your name to Andy....or Aardvark if you want to get to the top of page one.
KevMac  
#19 Posted : 05 April 2012 11:00:23(UTC)
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KevMac

frankc wrote:
Might have just solved your problem. Kev. http://www.theukdeedpolloffice.co.uk/ £15 to change your name to Andy....or Aardvark if you want to get to the top of page one.
Thanks frankc Like others, I've also been in an email exchange with the administrators - there's nothing quite as dissatisfying as having an exchange where both sides think the other can't see the big picture! KevMac...sorry, now AardvarkMac
JohnW  
#20 Posted : 05 April 2012 12:04:08(UTC)
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JohnW

KevMac wrote:
I have found it useful to say to clients that I can't help: look at the Register.
Yes, and I did the same this week. The client has replied saying the OSHCR filters can't get his enquiry list to less than 470 - East Midlands, Construction, Falls from Height. He wants a local (Northampton) consultant. Putting Northampton in as a 'keyword' brings zero results, yet he did see Northampton as an address in one of the consultants' profiles he viewed. Also he's puzzled when you click the help button for 'finding the right consultant' the first thing it says is 'Before you search OSHCR, have you considered managing health and safety yourself?'. !!
JJ Prendergast  
#21 Posted : 05 April 2012 16:08:52(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

The OSCHR is working well then?
Martin#1  
#22 Posted : 09 April 2012 16:51:12(UTC)
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Martin#1

I thought the OSCHR was a good thing, I'm interested in how it is viewed by insurers? An example being if a company is using a contractor to assist with H&S are insurers insisting that the consultants used must be register with OSCHR
Heather Collins  
#23 Posted : 11 April 2012 09:58:30(UTC)
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Heather Collins

I hope not Martin. OSHCR is for individuals not for companies so how could they insist that "the consultants used must be registered". I have obtained more work from a free online directory listing than from OSHCR. Anyone searching for a consultant in my area (and I mean my area, not the whole of SW England!) or the specific county I live in can find me on it quickly and easily. Two potential clients already have. I am seriously considering not bothering to renew my OSHCR membership. I will be most interested to see how much the membership drops by after the end of April when the renewal period ends for those of us who signed up in the first month and we get struck off...
KevMac  
#24 Posted : 23 April 2012 14:18:15(UTC)
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KevMac

I've just checked my new listing place: under the old layout, I was on page 5, under the new one I'm on page 70!! If this was 3-word Monday, I would say 'Run by Clowns'
Hay042178  
#25 Posted : 23 April 2012 16:26:35(UTC)
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Hay042178

As indicated above by many others, being on the OSHCR register has not brought one enquiry from any potential customers let alone any new business. I have requested that my details are removed from the register and will only reconsider this action if it becomes mandatory to be on the register.
Zyggy  
#26 Posted : 24 April 2012 10:09:03(UTC)
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Zyggy

Having just entered the world of consultancy I was going to join, but as my name is "Zyggy" It may well be that I would end up propping the whole data base.... :-(
firesafety101  
#27 Posted : 24 April 2012 13:16:10(UTC)
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firesafety101

I was one of the first and very pleased to get the discount but I won't be bothering again. The only enquiries I've had were from advertising companies wanting to sell me some advertising.
blodwyn  
#28 Posted : 24 April 2012 14:53:30(UTC)
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blodwyn

Ditto!!!!
ptaylor14  
#29 Posted : 24 April 2012 15:33:53(UTC)
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ptaylor14

JJ Prendergast wrote:
I'm not on the OSCHR I'm no longer a member of IOSH (I was CMIOSH) IOSH, in my view no longer gave any benefit to me. I still work very much 'in' safety - in the oil/gas sector, on the design safety side of project engineering (onshore and offshore) I still very much need to know about CDM, PUWER etc I regularly undertake safety studies using process safety risk analysis techniques - HAZOP, HAZIDs, PHA, SIL etc. I work via my own Ltd company. My aspect of safety, is very much engineering/technically based. So what do I trade as? An 'Engineer', 'Safety Consultant', 'Safety Engineer', 'Loss Prevention Engineer', 'Consulting Engineer' To me , therein lies the problem with the OSCHR. There is no legal requirement to be on the register, there is no legal requirement to be a member of IOSH. IOSH can take no action against me for trading as a 'Safety Consultant' if I decided to, as I do not need to be a member. Afterall, I could claim to be a 'Consulting Engineer', which covers a wide range of activities. As others have reported no business generated from being on the register, I see no benefit in being on the register. I generate my work via contacts I have, agencies and new contacts. I'm not sure that many other organisations are aware of the OSCHR. I would have thought that most companies wanting advice/need to find a 'safety consultant' will either Google or use the Yellow Pages As I have previously stated a career in safety has many aspects, until someone can define what a 'safety consultant' is/does - then you might get somewhere with OSCHR.
I could`nt agree more
Heather Collins  
#30 Posted : 25 April 2012 10:32:56(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Firesafety101 wrote:
I was one of the first and very pleased to get the discount but I won't be bothering again. The only enquiries I've had were from advertising companies wanting to sell me some advertising.
Me three! I have decided not to renew at the end of the month. As I said, it will be interesting to watch the membership plummet as those of us who joined in the first month don't bother to fork out this time.
Tomkins26432  
#31 Posted : 25 April 2012 11:04:15(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

I thought of signing up as the NGOs and associated Environmental Consultancies I advise undertake work for National and Local Authorities together with some of the largest construction and engineering firms in the country. I thought these big guys would start requiring their contractors H&S advisers to be registered, but nothing yet from the big boys and the people I work with don't even know it exists yet. I'd sign up in an instant if needed or wanted outside the sector but no indication yet? Not trying to be negative just wondering if it's hitting the right keys yet?
RayRapp  
#32 Posted : 25 April 2012 12:32:58(UTC)
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RayRapp

In light of the various observations and criticisms of OSHCR, would it not be prudent for IOSH to take up these issues with the HSE? After all, it was their marvellous idea in the first instance and supported by IOSH.
Victor Meldrew  
#33 Posted : 25 April 2012 13:58:14(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Totally agree with JJ, ptaylor and Heather - so like has been previously said, what's IOSH 'cunning plan' now in tackling the HSE about its members feelings. Are you going to order a 'new bed' or jump into the one you share currently?
Bob Shillabeer  
#34 Posted : 25 April 2012 23:05:50(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Remember a case many years ago where two American bank employees put an entry into the banks computer that for every transaction processed a debit of one cent was added to an account that began in Z. This gained then about thirty billion dollars over a year or so and no one found out about it until someone came along with a name that began with Z and was placed on the system after the original one thereby identifying what was happening. The culprits were of course jailed for theft, but the moral is the fact than names that are well down the list of often missed.
Alan  
#35 Posted : 29 April 2012 09:40:56(UTC)
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Alan

I think the Register is a great idea, but after the initial idea it goes downhill quickly. As I see it the recent revision to a Regional listing was particularly unhelpful. It's like giving you the good news - "we are going to promote OSHCR Consultants" and now the bad news - we have designed our Register so that you will not found" unless the Client already has all your details. I put this point directly to OSHCR, suggesting that as opposed to simply allowing Clients to check you are listed, it might be useful to develop the Register in a manner that allows potential Clients to find local Consultants. The OSHCR response was very clear - the change to regional was demanded by Consultants and prior to noting this blog it appeared I was the odd one out. So I guess I'm not a lone voice, if you think it's a mess - make sure your views are logged with OSHCR, you never know, they might listen and the next review is scheduled for Summer 2012. They have promised my comments will be considered as part of this review - a few similar letters might be helpful.
Heather Collins  
#36 Posted : 30 April 2012 10:26:27(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Letter with my views duly sent by e-mail. I'm no longer on the Register. I repeated the search that a few weeks ago pulled up 700+ names and it now only pulls up 388. Total number of people on the Register is now 1200. Meanwhile a quick Google search still finds nonsense like this: "We are now on the OSHCR" - claimed by one small consultancy. "We are an IOSH approved and registered consultancy" (complete with IOSH Logo!) on the "consultancy services" page of another consultancy. What a farce.
David Bannister  
#37 Posted : 01 May 2012 11:14:05(UTC)
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David Bannister

I've just renewed after some thought as to whether it's all worth it. Last year brought NIL in work derived from the Register and I am unlikely to be easily found by a random search at any time in the near future. However, my own sales and marketing efforts in winning new clients may lead to prospects seeking confirmation that my claim to be personally registered is in fact true. I have no real way of knowing whether the listing will be a deciding factor in any selection process. However, as all new (and renewal) client engagements will be worth considerably more than £60, it seems like a reasonable speculative spend to me. I remain a small fish but the pond appears to be getting smaller!
Heather Collins  
#38 Posted : 01 May 2012 11:55:51(UTC)
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Heather Collins

I actually had a very quick response from someone in HSE's "Crosscutting Interventions Directorate" to my e-mail saying that they were taking feedback on board, that better publicity was a priority for the coming year and that they hoped I'd feel able to rejoin if the Register gained a higher profile. I hope so too! Interested to hear if any of your potential new clients have ever heard of the Register David or if you just get the same blank looks I always get when I mention it?
David Bannister  
#39 Posted : 01 May 2012 13:50:21(UTC)
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David Bannister

Ha! First job is to find potential new clients, Heather. You got any spare?
Heather Collins  
#40 Posted : 01 May 2012 13:57:35(UTC)
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Heather Collins

david bannister wrote:
Ha! First job is to find potential new clients, Heather. You got any spare?
I was going to ask YOU that David... ;-)
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