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This is probably aimed at my healthcare collegaues but happy for advice from any quarters.
A needs analysis needs to be done to establish the number of Desiganted first aiders required within the department. Numbers have lapsed (dont ask why)
The department has a number of Areas/sites.
Some within the main hospital building some in seperate building 300-400 yards away in some cases (big site).
Hazards and risks are the same for the workers in the job they do. However the staff in the main building have instant access to A&E etc where First aid is covered by Medical practitioners and staff on part 123 of the Nursing register. Ultimately the level of risk is greater where the staff are in a different building to the main hospital building due to access time.
Therefore is the requirement in terms of numbers of desiganted first aiders different in the two different buildings?
Regards Steve
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Steve
I imagine the site has an occupational health department. Have you discussed this with them?
Chris
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steveeckersley wrote:This is probably aimed at my healthcare collegaues but happy for advice from any quarters.
. However the staff in the main building have instant access to A&E etc where First aid is covered by Medical practitioners and staff on part 123 of the Nursing register.
Ultimately the level of risk is greater where the staff are in a different building to the main hospital building due to access time.
Therefore is the requirement in terms of numbers of desiganted first aiders different in the two different buildings?
Regards Steve
I'm a bit confused - but YES - numbers will be different.
Registered Nurses and Doctors are (kind of... lets not get into this argument :) but it is Friday) considered competent first aiders within the first aid regulations, competence is further confirmed if they work in an A&E situation.
If the other building is considered too far for a response from the main site then it may be prudent to provide first aiders in line with HSE guidance.
So - to help us further, how many people are employed in these buildings?
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teh_boy wrote:steveeckersley wrote:This is probably aimed at my healthcare collegaues but happy for advice from any quarters.
. However the staff in the main building have instant access to A&E etc where First aid is covered by Medical practitioners and staff on part 123 of the Nursing register.
Ultimately the level of risk is greater where the staff are in a different building to the main hospital building due to access time.
Therefore is the requirement in terms of numbers of desiganted first aiders different in the two different buildings?
Regards Steve
I'm a bit confused - but YES - numbers will be different.
Registered Nurses and Doctors are (kind of... lets not get into this argument :) but it is Friday) considered competent first aiders within the first aid regulations, competence is further confirmed if they work in an A&E situation.
If the other building is considered too far for a response from the main site then it may be prudent to provide first aiders in line with HSE guidance.
So - to help us further, how many people are employed in these buildings?
This is just one example I was using-but to answer how many? in one of our wokshops it could be 20-30 people. We have nearly 160 sites within our Trust and our maintenance guys (Plumbers/Electricians/Maintenance assistants) travel to them to perform many different tasks. The buildings they travel to should have a first aider but our guys work out of hours and includes lone working. I havnt spoke to OHS yet about this. Our big hospitals should not be a problem given Nursing staff on duty 24 hrs and we have A&E at these. Its the Small cottage hospitals/health centres Im more concered about providing cover but also my first point was even on our big General hospital site (& I mean big site) that 1 of our main workshops is a distance from A&E etc and therefore should I have more first aiders in there than the workshop situated in the basement of the main hospital.
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Ok
I think I am getting the idea.
This is a problem faced by many people who work in maintenance. It really is down to risk assessment. You might consider training a member of each team in the one day course, or train all as appointed persons and provided clear procedures for emergencies.
Another more controversial idea might to get a Doctor or A&E nurse to train all your staff in house, and make sure they are supported by first aiders where possible. If you go down this route I would definitely advise following the previous advice and use your Occ Health department!
No real definite answer, but I hope those ideas help
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Forget the fact that this is a health care situation to begin with, just consider it a work place. Use the tool Barney has suggested and identify the appropriate number of first aiders. Then look at the competence of the other people working in the area who may have the appropriate first aid skills and see if you actually already have more than you need or require more.
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