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Hello,
I am really keen in implementing this system in our workplace but was wondering if anyone else has this system?
I got this idea from article in HSW Magazine with regards to Linpack article recently but still have some questions.
Really want to try and improve the way people think on safety and think this could be the way forward. We already have a very good near miss reporting system in place where each and every staff have a near miss reporting booklet.
If anyone has this implemented already, your feedback and tips would be much appreciated.
Katie
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I can foresee many problems ultimately as this approach is designed for continuously occuring plant and equipment problems and largely ignores the people and environment aspect of a good assessement. It is ultimately a generic assessment purporting to be a task risk assessment.
I think you would be better advised looking at driving towards an interdependant culture - ie one in which all recognise that the safety of themselves and all other ersons is interlinked and can only be ultimately controlled by the person undertaking a task. This was referred to by Friere as Conscientization or by Maslow as Actualised.
For me getting a proper system of Dynamic Assessment in place is a key prerequisite
Bob
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Katie,
Have you considered Tool Box Talks plus other means of communication based on the near miss reporting. This would refresh peoples minds on a regular basis as to the main hazards in the work place and could help to reduce them further
SBH
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Reading through the article, this is obvioulsy working for Linpack, and the principle of employee "ownership" of health and safety matters is generally sound. I just wish they wouldn't call it "Risk Assessment" though - because it isn't! More of a stop-fix-report (near miss) process?
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Ron
Shows how hard people are trying to prove they are doing RAs without actually having to do them. What it shows is ultimately the whole process of RA is not properly understood. Hence the HSE have a free hit everywhere they go to investigate.
Mind you that this does not mean they truly understand it either, see 5 steps to risk assessment and the guidance for my primary evidence of this lack.
Bob
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Katie,
I imagine that you understand the risk assessment process and wanted responses as to whether it would take your company's H&S system forward, or augment it....
Try it out..... anyhting that focus's the workforces minds onto H&S should be a good thing....
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Katie,
Where I work we have a couple of programs we use, Dupont "STOP" Safety Observation Training Program and another program called Step Back 5x5. Both programs focus on getting the employee to assess their work and work environment before commencing work. We use Job Hazard Analysis sheets to step out jobs and the risks involved and identify measures to take to do the work safely. The two programs above are additional and used at the job site to verify if there are any hazards and if working conditions have changed. Might seem a lot of work, but working in Hazardous industry requires a bit of effort to ensure safety.
I hope this helps. If you need to see the documents, email me and I will send to you.
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At odds with some of the posts, depending on the industry and application, I believe this is absolutely the key to good H & S ; the appropriately trained individual - at the time of intervention (I prefer "On-the-Spot" assessment) - checking that it is safe to start work. ("last minute risk anaylysis" as per previous link to DIBEC, rather implies you just remembered before it was too late !)
How this is in any way inferior to what we are currently being asked to do by high-profile clients (requiring an office bod to prepare a piece of paper to satisfy a tick in a box in advance of a visit) is quite beyond me.
(and we're very small but a colleague working in a globally respected engineering company has to go through the same nonsense for ignorant little Hitlers in national organisations who should know better !)
Recent discussion at our Safety Group : since this became the pivot of H & S management in 1974 (so coming up 40 years) and despite all the experts and enforcers here assembled, we don't have a coordinated voice and we're still batting it about.
The single biggest indictment of the H & S profession ! Frankly disgraceful.
Again, IOSH, bang heads together - bring out the definitive guide - machine, task, material, environment - by industry - by risk level - by size of project : What is the appropriate format. Is this is something which the SSIP should also be looking at ?
And the helpful chap saying he's not happy with the HSE template - exactly why not ? because it doesn't have some readily-by-passed matrix of likelihood x severity - and is not scored out of 9/25/50 or 100 ? If you're dissing someone's efforts, let's have a look at your own good efforts so we can all learn.
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Katie I work with a company which carries out maintenance activities on client sites and although we have task risk assessments, we have recognised that often the risk associated with maintenance activities vary with the cause of the problem, changes in environment, what other people are doing in the area at the time etc. We have therefore introduced something called pre-task analysis (PTA). It consists of an A5 pad which people complete before they start the job identifying the additional hazards and controls they should take responsibility for before starting the job. It's been in place for about 9 months now and although most records are mundane, some of the assessments have highlighted some important issues. More importantly for us they have allowed us to take some of the emotion out of discussion with clients where we have refused to start the work because of the risks their activities are generating for our employees.
I therefore think that this is not a replacement for our legal responsibility for risk assessment, but offers us an opportunity to identify issues and deal with them before someone gets hurt.
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ron hunter wrote:Reading through the article, this is obvioulsy working for Linpack, and the principle of employee "ownership" of health and safety matters is generally sound. I just wish they wouldn't call it "Risk Assessment" though - because it isn't! More of a stop-fix-report (near miss) process? Agree and disagree. If any part of the process involves assessing risk and where required implementing a control to reduce or eliminate, then the term risk assessment may be used as part of the process. In any case, I support any system that improves safety irrespective of what we call it and yes, "ownership" is key.
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Health, safety performance involves more than mechanically applying a management system or an element of that system – it requires the involvement of everyone in the organisation, from top to bottom. It involves utilising knowledge at all levels, and fully integrating HSE within everyday behaviour.
It is about getting everyone to work safely, not because they’ve been told to, but because that is the way they want to work and that is the way they know how to work. It is about improving the culture of safety in an organisation, making safety a fully integrated part of working behaviour, and in the process easier to manage.
Therefore I suggest you consider developing an overall behavioural change strategy which involves everyone from, e.g. senior managers to operatives and suppliers.
A strategy I presented was the 'Hearts and Minds' change programme which gave me all the tools in which to complete the process.
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mintcake wrote:Health, safety performance involves more than mechanically applying a management system or an element of that system – it requires the involvement of everyone in the organisation, from top to bottom. It involves utilising knowledge at all levels, and fully integrating HSE within everyday behaviour.
It is about getting everyone to work safely, not because they’ve been told to, but because that is the way they want to work and that is the way they know how to work. It is about improving the culture of safety in an organisation, making safety a fully integrated part of working behaviour, and in the process easier to manage.
Therefore I suggest you consider developing an overall behavioural change strategy which involves everyone from, e.g. senior managers to operatives and suppliers.
mmmmm A good management 'system' should incorporate all the factors you mention and not be considered as merely a document or suite of procedures, not that you said that of course...
A strategy I presented was the 'Hearts and Minds' change programme which gave me all the tools in which to complete the process.
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The idea of employee 'ownership' and 'buy-in' for their health and safety was one of the main reasons we developed our Good to Go Safety range of inspection systems. It is never going to suit everyone's requirements and there are as many people opposed to a checklist approach to safety as there are that welcome it. The way I see it is that if it works for your organisation (as it seems to for Linpac) then it should be embraced. There's never one single quick-fix solution to H&S but its often the simple things that are most likely to be accepted and followed by employees.
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How about a tool box talk for with some HSE guidewords on the back to stimulate discussion. Get the work party to identify and list hazards and control measures associated with the task. We use this format in the offshore industry and it is very sucessful
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