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A company I work with has recently bought a mobile folding engine crane 1.8 tonne capacity.
No certification arrived with the crane and when requested, all the supplier has agreed to provide is CE certification - they say under new legislation that is all they need to provide. When I requested a LOLER certificate their Technical Supervisor said that was a risk assessment we had to do.
I have never come across this situation before - everytime I have bought stand alone lifting equipment or accessories, it has been delivered with certification.
Has the law changed?
Lucy
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What do you expect in the way of a LOLER certificate?
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A document that indicates the equipment has undergone a thorough examination/inspection by a competent person and is fit for purpose to lift up to 1.8 tonnes.
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Lucy
Would the equipment that was purchased come from the Far East by any chance?
If so, I think this is a case of you get what you pay for.
It looks like you will need to have the equipment tested yourself and pay for the privilege
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I was looking at the exactly the same problem with our new 50m MEWP.
Reg 9(1) says:
"Initial thorough examination (reg.9(1))
88 A reg.9(1) thorough examination is not required if there is sufficient evidence that the equipment has received a thorough examination in the recent past. Acceptable evidence is a declaration of conformity if the equipment is new or, if it is second hand, an unexpired (current) report of a thorough examination obtained from its previous owner.
89 Purchasers of new lifting equipment may find that the EC declaration of conformity which accompanies the equipment is more than 12 months old. In these cases the need for and extent of a reg.9(1) thorough examination should be guided by when the equipment was made and likely deterioration during storage which could increase risks in use. If an examination is necessary, its extent should reflect the likelihood of failure and the actual risk which could arise from any such failure."
Hope it helps...
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Supplier is only obliged to furnish a copy of the declaration of conformity (CE) which is often reproduced in the handbook/instructions. LOLER is UK law, irrelevant to free trade in the European market.
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My thanks to everyone that sent information - my understanding of the requirements is now up to date.
In conclusion it appears that a certificate of conformity is acceptable - this of course means that the piece of lifting equipment has not itself undergone a specific inspection by a competent person (although the regulation suggests that this will have been the case?), and we now have a CE certificate that is generated by the company that supplies the equipment (and in my experience is often not worth the paper it is written on).
Just for information the equipment was bought from a UK supplier and their name is on the CE certificate, however I doubt they manufactured it.
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Lucy, as you rightly surmise, the EC Declaration is not a guarantee and in that respect PUWER is specific that the duty to ensure the equipment is safe rest with the employer.
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quote=Lucy D]My thanks to everyone that sent information - my understanding of the requirements is now up to date.
In conclusion it appears that a certificate of conformity is acceptable - this of course means that the piece of lifting equipment has not itself undergone a specific inspection by a competent person (although the regulation suggests that this will have been the case?), and we now have a CE certificate that is generated by the company that supplies the equipment (and in my experience is often not worth the paper it is written on).
Just for information the equipment was bought from a UK supplier and their name is on the CE certificate, however I doubt they manufactured it.
Lucy, Putting LOLER and CE marking aside for one moment. If you are not satisfied that the machine/equipment is safe to use (are you competent to make this assertion?) then advise accordingly and arrange for a suitably competent person to carry out a full examination and provide a report. If this is not possible the ensure a suitable maintenance/inspection programme is in place and that the operators are competent.
Gary
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