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emsie  
#1 Posted : 22 April 2012 16:25:22(UTC)
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emsie

Hello

I have a new client who employees foreign workers.

I wanted to produce a pictorial risk assessment to enable his employees to understand the risk assessment.

Does anyone have any examples they would like to send me?

Kind regards

Emsie
KAJ Safe  
#2 Posted : 22 April 2012 19:36:17(UTC)
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KAJ Safe

Hi, we normally had a RA slide show which explained what one was but we went down the route of pictorial safe systems of work, as this was what they followed inorder to do the job safe.
If you want to have a look at them, pm me your email address and I will send you an example.
Bob Shillabeer  
#3 Posted : 22 April 2012 20:56:46(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

I cannot see why you want to train or educate your employees in any risk assessments in the first place. Risk assessment is a managerial tool to identify how a task should be undertaken to minimise injury or loss. You as the employer use risk assessment as a too, to achieve this. Of course there may be circumstances where the work varies so much that generic assessments are rather pointless and that is where dynamic assessment of risk is useful, but leaving it to the lowest denomination leads to poor assessment and poor controls and runs a very high risk that the danger is not controlled. It would be better to educate employees that every task should be assessed by a competent risk assessor (not necessarily someone not involved with the work but competent to assess risk) and that the correct method of doing the task is followed thereby reducing the likelihood that the unwanted outcome arises.
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 22 April 2012 23:48:10(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Agree with Bob. Workers need to understand SSoW, and need never see R/A. Depending on safety-critical nature of the work you may need services of translators.
MrsBlue  
#5 Posted : 23 April 2012 11:20:26(UTC)
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Agree with Bob and Ron.

Risk assessments are a management tool only. To be pedantic I employ the following heirachical steps:

1. Task identified
2. Identify hazards and assess for significant risk
3. Write policy (if required)
4. Write procedures (SS0W)

In other words EMSIE you need to produce the policy and procedures following the risk assessment.

Rich
KAJ Safe  
#6 Posted : 23 April 2012 11:27:34(UTC)
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KAJ Safe

I agree with the management tool but I also disagree.
Once the RA is carried out, as part of an employees training, we always "briefly" discuss the basic elements of the risk assessment.
I have just gone to a new job and a recommendation from an HSE inspector was the above.
Ken Slack  
#7 Posted : 23 April 2012 11:36:37(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Hi Emsie,

Sounds like a good idea to me, not every activity needs a SSoW, if its a simple risk assessment with simple controls then a working knowledge of the risk assessment should be fine IMHO.

Remember the legal responsibility is to carry out a risk assessment, record significant findings and communicate it to your employee's, how you do that is up to you. In my experience employees will put as much effort into reading a SSoW as they do into reading a risk assessment.

K
Seabee81  
#8 Posted : 23 April 2012 11:42:37(UTC)
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Seabee81

I've worked overseas quite a bit and often I've had to deal with workers from many different nationalities who have only a very basic grasp of English. I found that sometimes the best way to get my point accross is to get someone to translate. I've stood on the deck of a ship and given a toolbox talk which was then translated into, French, Portugese and Italian. You will usually find one person amongst a group who will be able to translate. Especially if they are living and working in the UK

Safety signs are also good as they use very little wording and the pictures are easy to understand. Again, I had to have them translated into several languages to make sure they were understood.

I also don't agree that risk assessments are a management tool only. In my line of work, every Permit to Work has to be issued with a risk assessment or job safety anlysis. The work party sign the permit and toolbox talk to confirm their understanding of the risk assessment/JSA. They have to review the risk assessment before the start of every task to make sure it is suitable and sufficient, and if not they have to complete another one. Again, on projects with people from all over the world I would provide RAs/JSAs translated into several different languages.

I also like to include the workforce in the risk assessment process. We usually conduct a HAZID, HAZOP and HIRA before we mobilise for a project. During the mobilisation we will run through it with all personnel involved, from the captain of the ship to the divers and the riggers and always they will come up with valid points that we, the engineers, had not even considered.

Anyway I'm digressing a bit, but good luck with it
John Quinn  
#9 Posted : 23 April 2012 14:16:35(UTC)
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John Quinn

Hi Emsie,

We have used single point lessons to reinforce safety practice. These have photos of the task being carried out and can demonstrate both good and bad practice. If you e-mail me, I'll send you some examples and a template. They might be of some help.

Regards

John.Quinn@Riotinto.com
nickygee  
#10 Posted : 23 April 2012 15:17:04(UTC)
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nickygee

Am I seriously reading "Risk Assessments are a management tool"?? No wonder people have no respect for 'safety professionals'! People who conduct tasks are the ones with the knowledge and should be involved wherever possible. Like Seabee, I also work offshore, although not on boats, and I always get a hold of one of the guys to assist in writing risk assessments for the jobs they are involved in, then they complete their own JSA at worksite prior to commencing task, having reviewed the RA. Any lessons learned are incorporated into the procedure after the RA is reviewed. This is enshrined in our SMS and well it should be. Glad I don't work for any organisation who can't see why workers should have input into RAs.

Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 23 April 2012 17:08:03(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Nickygee, if the communications barrier is such that the IP sees fit to resort to pictorial communication of SSoW which is presumably already well-established (and presumably fairly static), what possible input will this foreign worker group have to the process or process or review?
emsie  
#12 Posted : 23 April 2012 17:46:13(UTC)
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emsie

Thank you for all the feedback. Some comments more useful that others.

I am being sent some ideas so should be able to complete this risk assessment.

Thank you once again.

Emsie
RayRapp  
#13 Posted : 23 April 2012 21:03:22(UTC)
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RayRapp

'Risk assessment is a managerial tool to identify how a task should be undertaken to minimise injury or loss.'

Hmm...I agree a CPP is a management tool, but not sure I agree that a RA is purely a 'management tool'. , I accept that most RAs are generic, not very well written and for the most part not particularly useful, but I do not agree that RAs are exclusively a management tool. If, the task dictated that it would be prudent to brief the guys on the RA - then so be it.

The developing of RAs should be completed with a representative from the workforce, someone who knows the tasks. There is no good reason why the rest of the workforce cannot be briefed on those RAs for either their own safety or to identify any potential flaws in the assessment.
Ciaran Delaney  
#14 Posted : 23 April 2012 22:10:14(UTC)
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Ciaran Delaney

Hi all,

If anyone would like a copy of a document that I have a PDF of, in relation to pictograms for use to assist in the communication of a Safe System of Work, please contact me via the PM facility with your email address and I will send it to you.

Regards,

Ciarán

IOSH Council
Ciaran Delaney  
#15 Posted : 24 April 2012 22:06:19(UTC)
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Ciaran Delaney

Hi all

Emails have been sent with the information promised tonight. Stunned at the amount of interest. Anyone else who requires the info, just PM me with your email address and I'll get it off to you within the next 24 hours.

All the best,

Ciarán

IOSH Council
andybz  
#16 Posted : 25 April 2012 08:14:09(UTC)
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andybz

Risk assessment is clearly a managerial tool, but that is totally different from is being a managers' tool, which I think is what people are referring to. After all, risk assessment is an integral part of your safety management system, which clearly applies to everyone.

I would suggest that a number of the comments here are not really talking about communicating risk assessments, but communicating hazards and controls. This is a different matter, and I can see where pictorial presentation could have a role.
Rickwood22154  
#17 Posted : 25 April 2012 10:00:44(UTC)
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Rickwood22154

I recently conducted manual handling training for a section of the workforce, some of these were Polish and had some language difficulties, I printed off the relevant information off of the HSE's website in English and Polish, I was also fortunate to have a translator on hand to answer questions when they arose, the HSE's website is a useful information tool and being available in several languages is a major plus for me.
As for risk assessment - I agree with andyzbz they are a integeral part of any safety management system, employees are involved in the risk assessment process and the developement of SSW's which are then trained down to the teams.
Bob Shillabeer  
#18 Posted : 25 April 2012 22:42:15(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Sorry guys risk assessment is a management tool to be used to identify methods of controlling risk of injury. How they are conducted is a matter for those who understand the process to be used in doing the task by involving those with the required level of knowledge relating to the specific task. Management have a legal duty to ensure the risks that present themselves are both understood and controlled to a level that is as far as reasonably practicable. If this involves getting employees involved in the RA process then that is what is required but it may not be required in all RAs. The person or persons undertaking the RA must take into account such things a language, work practices and past understanding/risk taking. However, RA is firstly a management tool and duty to be made before any work is undertaken to ensure the level of risk is both understood and minimised and followed by ensuring the method required is both understood and applied thereby reducing the likelihood of the risk being realised. Basically RA is a management tool to ensure each task is conducted as safely as possible and complies with the duty under the H&S at Work Act and the management regs.
aud  
#19 Posted : 25 April 2012 23:35:19(UTC)
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aud

Agree with RA is management tool. Maybe the recurring confusion over terms is creating the obvious divide which has opened up here.

RA is a thought process. Decisions are made, and the thoughts and evidence to justify these decisions should be recorded. The key elements are then to be communicated to the workers "in an understandable way".

So Emsie is right to be asking for help with the communication, but (IMO) it is the safe system of work, or the essential rules, which are being communicated (hopefully with a bit of 'why'), not the RA.

Therefore, I would try plotting out a storyboard, setting up a series of good photos of the key points of the work you want to get across. Using software package (Paint) to add arrows, labels, or similar. It is often harder work to make something very simple.
Bob Shillabeer  
#20 Posted : 26 April 2012 14:31:51(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Many years ago I watched a film (made by a French company) that demonstrated very effectively the controls and how important they were. The situation was a gang of railway maintenance people were working without the correct lookout arrangements being put in place simply to have more men working thus gaining an earlier finish. The gang were run down by a train and several were killed. The picture changed to show a mother and child running from the house whilst the roof tiles were being blown off indication the impact of the loss of the father. It was so impressive it has stuck in my mind ever since. Is there nothing similar that you can obtain to demonstrate the correct way to undertake specific tasks. Just wondering.
Ken Slack  
#21 Posted : 26 April 2012 15:12:59(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Risk Assessments are safety tools, to be employed in safety systems, I wouldn't class them as management tools, I feel to do so would create the effect of giving ownership exclusively to managers, when this is clearly not the case.

You don't have to be a manager to carry out a risk assessment, and in most cases the manager would be the wrong person to do it anyway.

For example, a contractor arriving at a house to carry out remedial work is going to carry out a risk assessment, he's not going to sit and write a 'SSoW' which has probably already been done for him by a manager/safety professional...

just some thoughts
Bob Shillabeer  
#22 Posted : 27 April 2012 00:19:08(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Ken, why do you say the manager would be the wrong person to do the RA? I was a manager for many years before becoming the head of safety and I understood almost all the jobs I managed simply because I did them before. The role of the manager is to get jobs done by others to a schedule no more. That role involves using other peoples skills to get the job done. In RA it is the manager who initiates the process and uses all resources at his disposal. RA's are generally generic at the outset simple because you know the task involved. There are some variations that require modification to the RA and more importantly the controls that are required, and perhaps that is where dynamic RAs come into place. But, given the knowledge of the organisation that should in a perfect world be very rare, but as we don't live in perfect world you have to have processes that cover the odd ball situation. In short the starting point is RA is a management tool (because that is where the responsibility rests) but using those involved in the work is usefull but the buck stops with the manager or employer, as he carries all the legal responsibility.
Ken Slack  
#23 Posted : 30 April 2012 13:22:02(UTC)
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Ken Slack

As you say Bob, the managers job is to get things done by others, and not every manager is as dilligent as you, so in alot of circumstances they aren't the ones to carry out a risk assessment.

As to it's exclusivity as a management tool, I don't agree. It's a safety tool ideally created by everyone,for use by all if necessary, not just management.
Bob Shillabeer  
#24 Posted : 30 April 2012 13:51:27(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

There seems to be a belief that risk assessment should be done as low down an organisation as possible because that is where the actual activity is done. This practice has some very real risks, firstly most employees do not have the basic knowledge to undertake a valid RA and some very important factors can be missed or even ignored simply because they would, in the view of the operators, make the task either harder or longer than they are used to. Secondly there has to be a leading mind to decide what is really needed to prevent the risk and not everyone is in a position to implement what is really needed in all cases. Management has to lead in risk control by being able to step back and consider all factors and instruct on what risk mitigation measures will be implemented, that is a management function as is using the best tools at his/her disposal in reaching a position where the term so far as is reasonably practicable is met.
Mr.Flibble  
#25 Posted : 30 April 2012 16:22:33(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

I do love this forum, its great for a laugh on a Monday!

Someone makes a simple request and is bombard with advice they didn't ask for and an argument about who should carry out a risk assessment! Such Fun!
RayRapp  
#26 Posted : 30 April 2012 20:11:45(UTC)
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RayRapp

Indeed Mr Flibble, however it does what it says on the tin - discussion forum. :-)
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