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Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#1 Posted : 25 April 2012 16:47:51(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

Following the recent govermt debacle causing people to panic buy I was asked how much car diesel fuel could be stored at home. The allowance for petrol is 10 litres but am unable to see any definitive answer on the web for diesel?

Also is there time limitation before it becomes unusable?

Any assistance in this matter would be appreciated.

Badger
JJ Prendergast  
#2 Posted : 25 April 2012 17:24:01(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Diesel isn't much of a fire hazard. Its Flash Point is in excess of 55 deg C.

Auto ignition temp is greater than 250deg C

That's not to say it won't combust if your try very, very hard.

Just don't spray or atomise it.

I guess the local fire service might get a bir upset if you store alot of it.

Its probably more of a concern with respect to your house insurance policy - no doubt a standard exclusion will be the storage of fuels above a certain limit.


As regards becoming unusable - in cold weather it may go a bit waxy, but automative diesel has additives to minimise this.

With long term fuel storage, if there is any water in the fuel you can get bacteria growing between the water/oil/fuel boundary.

Also keep the disel cool and sealed, even diesel evaporates eventually.

Any more chemists out there? - additives/lubrication additives could possibly not be as good after along time.

stuie  
#3 Posted : 25 April 2012 18:20:58(UTC)
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stuie

:-)
I wish i could afford to
a) store lots of diesel at home, and
b) afford lots of diesel!

sorry badger not much use - I'll get me coat!!
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 25 April 2012 22:56:18(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Barrie(Badger)Etter wrote:
The allowance for petrol is 10 litres Badger


There is no "allowance" for storage of petrol at home. I would advice anyone who needs to keep petrol at home (for lawnmowers and the like) to limit this to one 5 litre container and to keep that in a secure out house away from the domicile.

The 10 litre (1 x 10 litre metal or 2 x 5 litre plastic containers) limit is based on an interpretation of archaic petroleum legislation (c.1929) as applied to conditions of licence by enforcing authorities for petrol filling stations, and was more concerned with limiting risk arising by carriage in private cars.

Further to JJ Prendergast's post, your neighbours may not be best pleased to live next door to a poorly controlled fuel store either!

bob youel  
#5 Posted : 26 April 2012 07:06:55(UTC)
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bob youel

I do not advocate the 'home' storage of any sort of hazardous substances in any sort of quantity as life is hard enough - and if there is a fuel strike etc don't worry as those in power will not go short
Seabee81  
#6 Posted : 26 April 2012 09:30:51(UTC)
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Seabee81

I very much doubt that there will be a fuel shortage that makes storing diesel at home necessary, however you can get treatment products to prevent the growth of bacteria in marine diesel. Here is a link to just one example although there are many more

http://www.force4.co.uk/...g-Treatment---100ml.html

I'm not sure if you can use it for automotive diesel, but I'm sure there will be something similar
jay  
#7 Posted : 26 April 2012 10:36:46(UTC)
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jay

There is authoritative information on the HSE website under the heading, "Petroleum - frequently asked questions":-

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fi...osion/petroleum-faqs.htm


How should I store diesel and what quantity am I allowed?

There are no specific legal requirements on how to store diesel or the quantity allowed either in workplaces or domestic premises..................It is not, from a health and safety point of view, a particularly hazardous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations 2002 - its vapour flash point is too high. This means that its vapour will not ignite at normal room temperatures.

That said, there are some general issues you'll need to take into account:......................


What is the limit of the amount of petrol I can store for domestic use?

The Petroleum Spirit (Motor Vehicles etc.) Regulations 1929 and the Petroleum Spirit (Plastic Containers) Regulations 1982 limit the amount of petrol that can be kept in a domestic garageor within six metres of a building (e.g. most domestic driveways). The limit is a maximum of two suitable metal containers each of a maximum capacity of ten litres and two plastic containers (which have to be of an approved design) each of a maximum capacity of five litres. These limits also apply to any containers kept in a vehicle parked in the garage or on the driveway (but not to the internal fuel tank of the vehicle). Under no circumstances should the petrol containers be stored in the home itself.


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Lawlee45239  
#8 Posted : 26 April 2012 10:56:23(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

I would say it depends also on where one lives, and what the local fire services say, because no doubt if there were ever to be a problem they would be the persons called upon.

DO you intend on storing this long term i.e. not just because there is a strike looming?

It is not too uncommon in Ireland to have tanks set into the ground (but then again that is for agri use)

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