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Steve W1  
#1 Posted : 26 April 2012 08:44:58(UTC)
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Steve W1

I am doing some risk assessments on the heating system (gas heaters) of a large distribution company. The main internal gas line is suspended throughout the warehouses. Even though the pipe is painted in a dark yellow colour there is no signage located on it indicating it is a gas pipe. Anybody know the regs concerning gas pipe signage. Is it required if so how much signage is required etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. Steve W
Dimond36742  
#2 Posted : 26 April 2012 09:29:21(UTC)
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Dimond36742

Try the HSE webpage http://www.hse.gov.uk/le...tion/statinstruments.htm Have had a quick shufti through, but other than DSEAR, I am not that familiar with the signage requirements for pipe work. Sorry
JJ Prendergast  
#3 Posted : 26 April 2012 09:48:59(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

See BS1710:1984 Yellow/ochre is for gas pipes
achrn  
#4 Posted : 26 April 2012 10:02:51(UTC)
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achrn

http://www.legislation.g.../1998/2451/regulation/23 But I don't know what it means in practice - I had cause to look it up within the last week, but not to apply it.
JJ Prendergast  
#5 Posted : 26 April 2012 10:11:42(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

#4 It means follow good practice for the marking of pipes i.e. the accepted British Standard as quoted/accepted in the UK. The property shut off/isolation valves also have to be signed. (and not obstructed) You should also display a sign with the Transco (or whatever they are called now!!) emergency contact number - Google it
achrn  
#6 Posted : 26 April 2012 11:23:25(UTC)
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achrn

JJ Prendergast wrote:
#4 It means follow good practice for the marking of pipes i.e. the accepted British Standard as quoted/accepted in the UK.
But that statement is itself no more useful than saying 'do what is necesary' or (the favourite on teh forum) when someone says "what do I need to do about X" to say "do a risk assessment and apply appropriate controls". I know what it SAYS - it says that pipes must be marked in such a manner that it is readily recognisable as a gas pipe. I don't know what that MEANS in practice - just paint it yellow? label it 'gas' once every 10 metres, 5 metres, 1 metre, continuously? I disagree that the existence of a British Standard on a topic is necessarily a definition of what is legally sufficient, what is accepted, what is quoted or what is good practice, all of which are different things. There's a current BS for bicycle lights, but complying with it is not legally sufficient (the law has additional requirements), it's not what is accepted (even among those that have lights - it's nearly impossible in the UK to buy a BS-compliant rear light - I know of only one out of what must be hundred on the market), it's certainly not good practice (the allowable brightness in the BS is shockingly dim), and furthermore it is perfectly legal to use lights which aren't BS compliant anyway.
jay  
#7 Posted : 26 April 2012 12:08:02(UTC)
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jay

Refer to the guidance to the HSE guidance accopanying the Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996, para47 http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l64.pdf .........When deciding where signs or labels need to be placed on pipework containing dangerous substances, it is important not to use too many signs. This could cause those working nearby to be confused by multiple messages (see paragraph 35). Signs or labels will be most useful at points where employees are likely to be exposed to the contents of the pipework, for example sampling or filling points, drain valves, and flanged joints which are likely to need periodic breaking. Where there are long pipe runs on which points of potential exposure are infrequent, labels or signs may also be displayed at intermediate points. Note that these Regulations do not cover the colour coding of pipes. However, BS 1710 Specification for identification of pipelines and services may be of further interest since it provides guidance on the use of different colours and safety signs to identify the contents of pipework and the associated risk.
JJ Prendergast  
#8 Posted : 26 April 2012 12:54:51(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Few British Standards have any weight in law, unless they have been 'called' by the relvant legislation. However if you can show you have followed either the staturory provisions, acops etc and other sources of relevant good practice - of which BS are recognised as good practice it is unlikely and action would be taken against you. This particular BS indicates how pipes should be marked, where pipes should be marked and how often. Paint specs are also given, alternatively coloured tape can be used or tags.
grim72  
#9 Posted : 26 April 2012 14:52:58(UTC)
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grim72

Found this, not sure if it's what you're looking for (I don't work for these guys) http://www.easyflip.co.u...fisher/book.html?page=80
Ken Slack  
#10 Posted : 26 April 2012 15:03:06(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Ours are yellow ochre, with intermittent 'gas' sticky tape wrapped around. Dont forget to annotate it's presence on your fire map....
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