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chris42  
#1 Posted : 27 April 2012 11:59:53(UTC)
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chris42

As I’m unemployed I thought I would go to a local jobs fair, to be told on arrival that I had to fill in a form for Health and Safety reasons. Unfortunately after starting to complete the forms I failed to see the relevance to H&S. - Was I a migrant? - Could I speak Welsh ( I’m in South Wales and not many speak Welsh as their first language in my particular area). - Have I lived in the UK for over 3 years? - Was I a gypsy, Romany or Traveller? - What benefits was I on - Did I have any convictions? - Was I getting pensions credit? - Was It ok to pass my details onto others (mandatory – no opt out) There were two sides of A4 of these and similar questions. Whose health and safety, mine or theirs do you think these questions would protect, considering the first supposed employer I could see through the door was the Army. We weren’t allowed to know who was in the room unless we signed the form. We wonder why H&S has a bad name, but having just sat in a room full of people winging about filling out this H&S information, It’s not hard to understand why. I suspect it was a requirement of the Welsh Government and needed for funding reasons, but why not say that (I may have even completed the form). I admit my blood is still boiling as it was only 30 minutes ago, but does this practice seem reasonable to others and I’m being overly awkward ?
Tomkins26432  
#2 Posted : 27 April 2012 12:20:32(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

Is this the Friday funny ? I suspect not, I quite often get similar requests and ask "Why?" The repeated "It's for H&S reasons" can be quite fun really
chris42  
#3 Posted : 27 April 2012 12:46:04(UTC)
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chris42

" Is this a Friday funny?" No unfortunately, but free to turn it into one (feel slightly better after my rant). I admit I was not seeing the funny side when I walked out (still not to be honest). In fact, please someone start a funny thread. Chris
David Bannister  
#4 Posted : 27 April 2012 13:06:20(UTC)
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David Bannister

My response to questions like those is to write random answers, and would be even more so if it's flagged as H&S. Particularly enjoy doing it to those who are seeking free marketing data. It's amazing what drops through my letterbox (great for my green credentials in recycling) and inbox (spam box fills up too quickly)!
Graham Bullough  
#5 Posted : 27 April 2012 13:44:27(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

I agree with Chris42's sentiments about people being required to complete forms when "health & safety" is quoted as a spurious reason for doing so. As David Bannister suggests, one way of dealing with nonsensical forms is to respond with nonsense. One method is to give a spoof name with your actual address and then wait to see if anyone actually bothers to use the information and for what purpose. Very occasionally when no address was required I've completed a form and given my name as "Mickey Mouse", and nobody seemed to notice. Also, years ago when I lived in Scotland and visited chemist shops to buy methylated spirits (meths) for lighting my primus stove, it was obligatory to sign a register with my name, address and reason for purchase. Sometimes I made up scientific looking words to give as my reason, and was slightly disappointed but not surprised that nobody ever queried them. Out of curiosity (and with apologies for a slight deviation from the main thread), please can anyone advise if signing a register still a legal requirement when buying meths nowadays in Scotland - or are alcoholic drinks so cheap now that nobody with an alcohol dependency would even consider buying meths to drink?
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 27 April 2012 13:50:03(UTC)
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bob youel

who organised the job fair
chris42  
#7 Posted : 27 April 2012 14:01:37(UTC)
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chris42

Organised by "bridges to work" and has the Local authority and Welsh government logo on the top. It was held at the local adult learning centre which is part of the collage. I admit I was tempted after being asked on the form could I speak Welsh / read Welsh and answering NO, to answer the next question which was "Preferred language of learning - English or Welsh" to put Welsh. Especially as I was not there on any form of training course. PS there was someone checking the form was completed properly including your national insurance number !.
Tomkins26432  
#8 Posted : 27 April 2012 14:48:46(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

I wonder if the person checking the form would have been able to cope if you'd filled it in in Welsh?
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 27 April 2012 15:18:57(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Not only is the information requested nothing to do with H&S I cannot see what relevance it has to anything. It could be construed as being personal data and as such should not be held by any organisation unless they have good reason. The question on convictions is likely to be a breach of the rehabilitation of offenders act and as to the ethnicity questions, well any government sponsored questionnaire always leaves the option of leaving that question blank. If you included these questions on a job application form you would be in big trouble. This is just rubbish.
jay  
#10 Posted : 27 April 2012 15:55:06(UTC)
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jay

You may want to take this up with the HSE Myths Callenge Panel after ascertaining that there was no gap in the communication/information to you and vice versa at the so called jobs fair. The information requested appears to have nothing to do with workplace/occupational health & safety, but there is a genuine "Building bridges to work: new approaches to tackling long term worklessness" :- http://www.dwp.gov.uk/po...uilding-bridges-to-work/
Tomkins26432  
#11 Posted : 27 April 2012 16:13:28(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

That's be a good idea, Chris might suggest they could use a H&S Adviser?
chris42  
#12 Posted : 27 April 2012 17:18:48(UTC)
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chris42

The Bridges to work is an official organisation who help people with CV's etc. I attended some training a few years ago with the adult learning centre ( the bridges to work operated from the centre) and had to fill out a very similar form which was to allow then to claim money for the training from the Welsh assembly. I suspect that they would have been able to have claimed for this "jobs Fair" as they were providing the facilities / service etc. But that was not the reason we were given for needing to sign the forms. Every person the forms were given to was told it was necessary for H&S reasons. This of course was not in writing but it was told to at least 50 people. I guess it was easier for them to say this. My first thought was to make an official complaint, but of course this means admitting I did not enter the job Fair. This could have consequences for me. I'm not sure if I lost out getting to speak to a decent employer or not, I only could see the army stand and I heard someone else mention Avon (cosmetics lot) so not sure if there were any real jobs (no disrespect to the army). However it could affect what little benefits I get. If they had told me it was to allow them to claim funding I would have been happy enough to support this local facility.
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