Hi All,

I wondered whether anyone could point me in the direction of some wording which could be used to set out the scope of the above and the limitations of a standard FSO fire risk assessment, as opposed to a full fire safety audit of a building, systems and processes.

I would also appreciate your views on whether you would typically expect the following to be addressed in detail in a fire risk assessment, fire safety audit, or both:
Allocation of risk profiles and management levels in accordance with BS 9999
Detailed comment on fire safety management strategies and organisational structure
Detailed guidance on evacuation strategies for disabled persons
Maximum room capacities broken down into defind areas throughout a building including separate rooms on the same floor

Thanks in advance for any input offered

Interesting question, but one that is somewhat confusing. A fire risk assessment is a legally required action and looks at the risk of fire and how it affects people evacuation as the most important thing. There are add-ons that cover the other aspects of fire related problems; it is from a "what do we need" basis. A fire safety audit is a check to ensure you have all the required controls and practices in place and that they are followed. An audit cannot find anything until there is something in place to check so why are the two separate processes being confused?

I am a bit confused about the concept of an audit. I thought the RP carried out FRAs (& reviews) and the enforcing authority carry out audits (of the systems introduced as a result of the FRA)to ensure compliance

So in terms of a RP led audit, what is the difference between a fire safety audit and a review of fire risk assessment???

And where does the concept of a RP led fire safety audit come from, coz it certainly ain't the RRO, whereas a review is?

If you have an annual review, and a 6 monthly audit, why not just do 6 monthly FRA reviews?

Just to muddy the water some more, this is how it was explained to me on the Nebosh fire cert.
Carry out an audit of the site, questions such as
"flammable substance on site"
"fire detection"
"testing"
"certain processess"

From this, anything which required attention was then risk assessed, for example:
LPG on site, control measures were, stored away from building, kept in locked cages.

Although this is only a very basic idea, I can give you the Nebosh fire risk assessment practical (if this is any good)

Hi Cuttell, I attended the Fire Service Training College fire risk assessment process some years ago and have kept up my understanding by looking at various other courses over the years and have studied BS9999. But not had the pleasure of seeing the NEBOSH FRa practical so could you kindly let me have a copy please?