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ianjones  
#1 Posted : 26 April 2012 09:51:32(UTC)
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ianjones

I saw today that the Queen is coming to Salisbury (my work town) next week imagine doing the risk assessment and preparations for that! Out of curiosity has anyone had to do this type of VIP assessment?
JJ Prendergast  
#2 Posted : 26 April 2012 09:57:46(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Does Queenie have to 'do a risk assessment' They are her laws, does she have to comply?
safetyamateur  
#3 Posted : 26 April 2012 10:06:34(UTC)
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safetyamateur

Madonna has a huge entourage. I'm sure risk assessors are in there somewhere. Probably double as dancers during the show.
Jane Blunt  
#4 Posted : 26 April 2012 10:17:39(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I am pretty sure that the Palace machine takes over. When we have had royal visits there has been a lot of security preparation (sniffer dogs, plain clothes police etc). The host obviously has to cooperate and liaise.
ianjones  
#5 Posted : 26 April 2012 10:19:46(UTC)
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ianjones

I think this is going to turn into an early friday thread!
NEE' ONIONS MATE!  
#6 Posted : 26 April 2012 10:40:29(UTC)
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NEE' ONIONS MATE!

From a little previous experience, the safety and security arrangements are led by the Police and Palace officials, and you'll be told what you need to know/do.
Graham Bullough  
#7 Posted : 26 April 2012 11:17:07(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

To echo Jane Blunt's comments the Royal security system seems to be very thorough with its preparations including pre-visit searches, sniffer dogs and plain clothes security people, etc., and done as unobtrusively as possible. Years ago I heard a tale that for a few days and nights before a royal visit to a stately home open to the public, undercover security people had staked out the surrounding moorland estate which had a resident herd of deer. For some months beforehand someone had been poaching deer and the estate staff were puzzled that they hadn't heard anyone using a gun for this purpose. However, all was solved shortly after the stakeout began when the security people spotted and caught the poacher who had been working silently with a crossbow at night. Also after Princess Anne visited a technology college in my area as part of its centenary celebrations some years ago it was rumoured that one could identify which parts of the building she had visited by looking for the rooms and corridors which were freshly painted and had new furniture, etc. So, if you've got premises which are long overdue for redecoration, and there never seems to be any money or enthusiam for redecoration, having a royal visit through as much of the premises as possible is likely to be of help!
ianjones  
#8 Posted : 26 April 2012 11:28:14(UTC)
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ianjones

That takes me back Princess Anne came to open a mencap centre I volunteered at years ago They painted everywhere and painted a toilet which was then closed for a week so she had somewhere clean to go - needless to say it didn't get used during my time in the army, princess Diana came to visit us in Berlin the entire parade square was retarmac'd because we were short of accommodation the lounge on each floor was used as a bedroom for 4 people they were kicked out and the room filled with TV's pool tables etc As Diana left the accommodation block, everything was being taken out the other end and back to storage life!
ptaylor14  
#9 Posted : 26 April 2012 11:30:11(UTC)
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ptaylor14

ianjones wrote:
I saw today that the Queen is coming to Salisbury (my work town) next week imagine doing the risk assessment and preparations for that! Out of curiosity has anyone had to do this type of VIP assessment?
Involved with visit of prominent politician, speacial branch do all the work. just had to make sure they had access and no fire alarms etc
Sinclair24063  
#10 Posted : 26 April 2012 12:59:13(UTC)
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Sinclair24063

All done by the security services.
peter gotch  
#11 Posted : 26 April 2012 13:10:19(UTC)
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peter gotch

When my daughter was about two and in the local children's hospital, visit by Princess Anne. They spray painted one of the three lifts with little general ventilation and no extraction. Solvent-based paint containing lead (1984). A few years later, I had to accompany the Minister around a bottling hall to look at noise control measures in advance of the Noise at Work Regs 1989. Three days after he had also been appointed as Chair of the Conservative Party. Rather clear that he hadn't assimilated the content of a one and half page briefing note that I had prepared. Asked how much whisky they distilled at the site.
jfw  
#12 Posted : 26 April 2012 22:40:42(UTC)
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jfw

As stated above, the Palace Machine takes over. We have had a couple of royal visits over the years. Basically you get a pre-visit from them where they give you a strict list of do's and don'ts. On the day, they turn up early, inspect the site and check that everything they have specified has been done. One of the requirements in the past was to lock meeting rooms after they have searched them, with them keeping the keys until after the visit. Incidentally, we've never got the paint out!
jfw  
#13 Posted : 26 April 2012 22:56:26(UTC)
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jfw

This topic also reminds me of something I remember from my youth. I grew up in a rural area where the main landowner was a famous photographer and cousin to the Queen. His estate would regularly hold shoots through the season and a couple of times a year, senior members of the Royal Family and foreign Royals would attend. It is apparently tradition that the Estate Managers wife cooks for all the guests in the big house after the shoot. When Royal visits took place, she would be taken shopping by a couple of Special Branch officers to buy all the food for the meal. Once home they never let the shopping out of their sight and she was only allowed to use what they had witnessed her buying. Once cooked, she had to eat a portion along with one of the Special Branch officers, before serving to the guests. Apparently she had a reputation for not being a very good cook and would get very nervous because of this. There were stories of her variations to well known dishes, because in her nerves she had forgotten to buy key ingredients, so had to leave them out as she could only use what the SB officers had witnessed her buying.
messyshaw  
#14 Posted : 28 April 2012 06:37:00(UTC)
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messyshaw

A friend of mine is a retired member of the Met Police's SO14 (Royal Protection) Team. Even now (10 years into retirement) he is discreet and you have to prize Royal stories from him. But he has leaked a few gems. However he was specifically assigned to one particular royal and has never said any thing about that person. His role was close protection, where he would spend weeks in freezing Balmoral or insect ridden Sandringham - not quite the exciting glamorous role many would expect. To get relief from those postings he'd be assigned pre visits for a time, which he preferred. He travelled across the globe but didn't really see any of it. He really liked his postings on Britannia, where the security pressure was less than being on dry land and he got to enjoy the cruise and stay in officer's quarters while an officer was thrown out into the men's dorm! The only time he let his guard down about his past was when speaking about Anne who he loathed. I always thought she was laid back and casual role, but it seems she was not particularly nice to her protectors. Luckily for her, my friend wasn't one of her team, as I am not sure how motivated he would have been to look after her safety :-)
Graham Bullough  
#15 Posted : 28 April 2012 23:31:00(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

For those working to protect members of the Royal Family and other VIPs such as prime ministers it must be a strange and testing experience to work alongside such high profile people and inevitably become familiar with them, their daily lives and foibles, etc., and yet remain highly discreet both during such work and for ever afterwards. In a slightly different role a former OS&H colleague of mine in his previous career with the RAF got to know various members of the Royal Family through working for a number of years on the Queen’s Flight but, like Messyshaw’s friend, remained very circumspect about divulging information gained during his experiences. However, he seemed to have a high regard for the Royals based on how he and his colleagues were treated by them, especially the late Queen Mother. For those being protected it must also seem intrusive and trying at times to have security people shadowing them on an almost constant basis even though their role is a necessary one. Also, I guess that at the back of VIPs’ minds is the suspicion that some security people and other close staff might reveal personal or confidential information about them even if only as gossip to relatives and friends rather than to journalists for money in today’s perpetually news-hungry age. Messy’s friend might also recall having to endure midges during Royal Protection work in Scotland during the summer months. If so, in addition to the reduced security pressure, this might have also have explained why he enjoyed working on the Royal Yacht ‘Britannia’ - except perhaps when the Royal Family spent their summer holidays cruising the West Coast of Scotland which is notorious for the ferocity of its midges. Britannia is now a major tourist attraction open to the public at Leith Docks by Edinburgh. When my missus and I visited it several years ago one of the things which struck me was how cramped the small dormitory rooms for the crew would have been when in use. If officers had to use such rooms when relinquishing their usual accommodation to security people, they probably wouldn’t have been too happy about it. Another aspect of the vessel was how clean and tidy everything was, including the engine rooms, and reportedly this was the case during Britannia’s seagoing years. Also, the insulation on some pipework below decks looked from its appearance to comprise asbestos material though suitably painted and hopefully reasonably free from risk of damage.
Graham Bullough  
#16 Posted : 01 May 2012 00:27:38(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

This thread reminds me of an apocryphal tale heard during my early days with HSE about security clearance being needed for a principal factory inspector so that he could pay visits to security-sensitive establishments including ones operated by or for the Ministry of Defence. Such clearance would be confirmed or denied as necessary after a process known as positive vetting carried out mostly by older semi-retired officers from Special Branch and related organisations. The enquiries by the officer assigned to vet the inspector included discussions in turn with several members of the support staff at the office where the inspector was based. In order to find out if the inspector might be vulnerable to blackmail regarding his personal life the officer’s questions to each employee included a blunt one asking if the inspector had had any physical relationship with her. However, the wording he used for this question was misinterpreted by one young clerical assistant who thought she was being asked if the inspector was in the habit of telling her off about clerical errors! Therefore, when she promptly replied yes, he asked how often this took place. She blithely replied that it was usually about once or twice a week but could sometimes be three times a week. The officer seemed somewhat surprised by this unusually open admission about frequency and then asked where it tended to take place. She replied along the lines of “well, almost always in his office!” Eventually, the officer realised that she was replying about mild verbal reprimands rather than any sort of intimate physical act. Understandably, considerable mirth was generated when the assistant later told her colleagues about the officer’s questioning and especially how her answers generated an increasing look of surprise on his face. Though the tale is an amusing one, it’s perhaps a useful reminder of the need for OS&H people - and people in other professions - to think about the words they use when communicating with others, and also to check that others properly understand the information and ideas they are trying to communicate.
walker  
#17 Posted : 01 May 2012 10:28:56(UTC)
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walker

I've often wondered about the long term effects of paint fumes on our royals.
Zyggy  
#18 Posted : 02 May 2012 09:12:05(UTC)
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Zyggy

Walker Does this mean that COSHH really stands for Control of Substances Hazardous to Highnesses then?
Graham Bullough  
#19 Posted : 02 May 2012 10:03:23(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

This thread seems an appropriate one in which to mention that one of the Queen's uncles was a factory inspector before World War Two (WW2). The uncle was Prince George alias Duke of Kent who was an inspector from 1932 until military service during WW2 when he died in a plane crash. I wonder what name was on his warrant - perhaps it was George Windsor. Also, in keeping with the main theme of this thread, I guess that as a son of King George V and brother of King George VI he was accompanied on his visits by a bodyguard or two. Perhaps there was also some pre-vetting and even some pre-selection of the various factory premises he visited. Anyhow, his role could be interpreted as indicating that working for HM Factory Inspectorate, the main predecessor of today's HSE, was considered sufficiently respectable and appropriate for a member of the Royal Family in those days!
decimomal  
#20 Posted : 02 May 2012 10:40:58(UTC)
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decimomal

Bit lower down in the pecking order but I took part in the London Marathon a couple of years ago and passed Princess Beatrice who was running as part of a centipede or catapillar. There were a couple of outrunners obviously assigned to keep the rest of us at a suitable distance - I wonder whether they volunteered for the job!! I am always envious of the protection officers who accompany the Royals on their skiing hols.
firesafety101  
#21 Posted : 03 May 2012 12:50:53(UTC)
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firesafety101

Is the Queen "at work".
decimomal  
#22 Posted : 03 May 2012 15:27:59(UTC)
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decimomal

Firesafety101 wrote:
Is the Queen "at work".
If she is she will no doubt have Crown immunity (:
A Kurdziel  
#23 Posted : 03 May 2012 16:10:58(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

We have Crown Immunity and I’m not a Queen.
decimomal  
#24 Posted : 03 May 2012 16:17:09(UTC)
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decimomal

A Kurdziel wrote:
We have Crown Immunity and I’m not a Queen.
I am not even going to go there!!
firesafety101  
#25 Posted : 04 May 2012 10:06:00(UTC)
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firesafety101

A Kurdziel wrote:
We have Crown Immunity and I’m not a Queen.
we only have your word for that :-)
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