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VLK  
#1 Posted : 28 April 2012 17:44:15(UTC)
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VLK

Hi All, I am a H&S professional with 5-year experience in construction & consultancy sectors. However, all my prior experiences have been in a different country, and I believe for the very same reason I am being turned down on several opportunities. I also get constant feedbacks from recruiters/companies that even though my H&S experience is solid, it is not from the UK. I have recently completed an MSc in OH&S from a UK Uni in addition to several earlier stage diplomas. I am based in Southeast and have the legal right to work in the UK. Could anyone please advice me as to how can I better my chances. I would be very willing to gain experience by working for free and/or shadowing professionals during their work (consultants or in-house) to gain valuable experience. Regards, VLK
VLK  
#2 Posted : 02 May 2012 19:02:21(UTC)
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VLK

Hello everyone, I am a bit surprised and feeling a bit down as no one has replied to my above post. No disrespect to anyone, I thought I am being rejected only by potential employers or recruitment agencies as of now - shocking to learn that no one here is also ready to help me or offer some guidance. VLK
stuie  
#3 Posted : 02 May 2012 19:31:21(UTC)
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stuie

Hi VLK Have you tried a search on the forums - there has been lots of advice posted about how to enhance your chances to progress when in similar situations to yours? There does seem to be a lack of safety jobs about (although I think there is more in this months SHP than there has been for many months), and as there is a lot of safety professionals looking for work it is difficult to get that first step. Keep trying, don't get too down. Best wishes in your search - and do have a search on the forums and come back if you have any more questions. Stuart
Franky  
#4 Posted : 02 May 2012 20:37:47(UTC)
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Franky

People may answer your post when they know your name VLK. just a thought. Good luck in your quest VLK.
VLK  
#5 Posted : 03 May 2012 01:38:23(UTC)
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VLK

Thanks for your reply guys.... Stuart - I have had a good look on the forum. I understand the tough market out there for H&S jobs, but what confuses me is the fact that me not having experience in UK is letting me down a lot. Except for different H&S laws/regulations and greater amount of awareness/publicity here in UK, I really am not able to see any major difference in the way H&S field operates when comparing UK and my country. The question I keep asking myself is should not having UK experience matter a lot when employers make the decision on hiring me, and if yes - why? Franky - Thanks for your thought. My name is Vivek. Oh yeah, and the country I have been referring to is India - should that be a stopper for people advising me.
decimomal  
#6 Posted : 03 May 2012 10:09:47(UTC)
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decimomal

Vik, Your various posts ask a number of questions and pose a number of reasons why you might not be successful at securing a role. One question is about the lack of response to your posting; this could be because there are few of us who have sufficient knowledge of the recruitment process to be able to help - to say that it is shocking to learn that no one here is also ready to help me or offer some guidance is (in my view) a bit strong. Unless I have misunderstood, it appears that the issue is you going to interviews and not being successful. You will have gone through quite a few hoops before you were shortlisted for the interview, so there will have been something in your application and C.V. that attracted the employer. This in itself is a positive. I guess you need to put yourself in the position of the potential employer who is taking a gamble on you, and needs to be sure that you are the right person for them. I wonder if the issue is the actual interview process; for example:are you over or under confident at interview, are yiou articulate, are you able to give good examples of your achievements, are you going for any job or are you focusing on particular areas (have you a particular specialism?), do you research the company beforehand, do you look carefully at the job description before the interview and then demonstrate that you have the skills and knowledge to match, are you over or under qualified for the roles you are going for, do you ask questions? Your background should have absolutely no bearing on anything in the recruitement process. I think if I were you I would look for a decent Health and Safety Recruitment company who should interview you and get as much information as they can to enable them to match you with a suitable role.They will also be able to give you feedback and support on any areas where you might be weak. Hope this helps a bit, Best of luck.
VLK  
#7 Posted : 03 May 2012 14:13:51(UTC)
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VLK

Hi decimomal, Please don't get me wrong. I just got a bit too down - and the words I used may have sent the wrong vibes I suppose. I did not mean to be rude and intended no disrespect to anyone here. I have met with a few well-known H&S recruitment agencies. The general feedback I have been receiving is positive - that I come across as a confident person, good examples of achievements or how I behaved in a type of situation, researching the position, asking well-informed questions etc... After all these, in some cases the agencies and in some the companies, do not proceed further with my candidacy the sole reason being my H&S experience has not been in the UK. More than this thread focussing on me as a person, I would like to see views from peers as to how a H&S work experience could vary from country to country. This would help me a great deal in being realistic during interviews in terms of what challenges I may face and how differently I can contribute. My apologies again for it came a down a bit strong on you. The "non-face to face conversation hides real emotions" seems sort of true in this case. Thanks for your inputs, VLK
decimomal  
#8 Posted : 03 May 2012 15:23:56(UTC)
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decimomal

No offence taken. I am not sure what I can add to your dilemma, but I wonder whether your international experience could be used more to your advantage in your interviews. Also your MSc might be putting employers off. You need to make sure that you are going the right jobs as you might be percieved as being over quailified for some. Have you though about approaching consultancies for job opportunities? I get your point about the lack of responses, with over 230 views and very few replies.
FAYSAFE  
#9 Posted : 07 June 2012 16:08:31(UTC)
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FAYSAFE

hi VLK, construction in india is completely different then construction in england, different procedures, rules and regulations and completely different attitude to safety. i suggest you stay away from construction and maybe try for training, environmental or quality specialist courses.
peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 07 June 2012 17:25:12(UTC)
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peter gotch

Fay Indian safety legislation mirrors that in the UK a couple of decades ago, whilst many companies there will base their standards on either OSHA or European. I think that Vivek's experience offers transferable skills in the U.K. We've recruited an Indian fire/safety specialist in the past. Perfectly capable of settling in to application of UK standards and now working in the Middle East.
Dionette  
#11 Posted : 14 June 2012 13:23:08(UTC)
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Dionette

Hi VLK, Having read throught the whole forum discussion I can say that I am in a similar situation. I have completed the Nebosh International General Certificate in South Africa. I have been working on remote mining sites in Africa for past 5 years in the medical field, but I am finding it hard to move over to health and safety. I am currently enrolled in the international diploma course through e-learning.
KieranD  
#12 Posted : 14 June 2012 14:12:11(UTC)
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KieranD

VLK As I spent well over a decade as a career and redundancy managment coach, I very much appreciate the struggle you report. It is easy to lose sight of the reality that your main tasks involve understanding needs of organisations that you can fill, and that what you have in mind by the term 'safety management' is not the only way in which you can help organisations. This fuels assumptions that are commonly at the root of miscommunication in approaching organisations for opportunities. A related problem is what is known as 'values' of an organisation, what those who lead it want most. Unless they have a well-developed culture, there's often quite a gap between what is said during recruitment and what actually goes on in workplaces. This is as true in 'safety' as in any other area. There are two practical ways open to you to try to break new ground. One is to consult a coach who specialises in coaching people to find work. A good one may well be able to add to your efforts by enabling you to recognise capabilities of your own that you are not communicating, as well as needs of organisations that you can fulfil but are not aware of. A suitable one will have the sepcialist skills needed to assess your personality and other attributes using objective tools, as well as 'action learning' and other methods geared to ensure that you tackle hurdles with pace and poise. The fiy in the ointment, perhaps, is that you normally have to pay for good coaching; after all, a business coach has to earn a living too! The other is the pair up with one or two other business executives and to meet at least once a week for 'action learning' meetings as a practical way of sharing insights and enquiries. While you may not enter an organisation this year in a safety role, getting into a motivating job in any role with scope for your social as well as your technical knowhow can become the path to eliminating frustration and getting onto a new career avenue. I've known many people, including some who left work in pain and anger after injury at work, and look back a couple of years later at a phase 'between jobs' and say now, 'I felt awful then, but now I can see only opportunities. If I lost my job this week, I've learned how to investigate several new ares now open to me!'.
jay  
#13 Posted : 14 June 2012 17:29:16(UTC)
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jay

Hi Vivek, I normally participate in the general discussion forum, therefore did not see your thread. I can empathise with your situation as I had a similar experience, but that was years ago, in 1991 when Indian experience/qualifications were lesser known/recognised/accepted in by the UK professions. There was also a huge recession then, but the health & Safety jobs market was not that reduced due to the transposition of EC Directives into GB Legislation. Unfortunately, the typical news one gets about India and safety is negative. Unless a prospective employer knows the subtle difference that, in India, there are world-class companies with world-class safety performance side by side with the worst, the general impression is likely to be negative. Therefore, the onus is on more on you, especially when there is a depressed jobs market to somehow highlight your transferable skills and overcome the handicap of lack of UK experience. Please PM me so that I can share my experience in a positive way. I would also urge you to make use of the local IOSH Branch for networking opportunities. It is a chicken & egg situation that is applicable not only to those from a different country, but also from here if they do not have experience. What you need to do is to describe your transferable Health & Safety Skills and get a start somewhere-you may have to compromise on salary initially to get the experience. Use your local IOSH branch network for getting to network with other practitioners for opening, sometimes for experience only.
Lawlee45239  
#14 Posted : 15 June 2012 10:05:42(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Vivek, Keep at it, it is a long procedure, I was off on maternity leave for 18 months and attended so many interviews I cannot remember how many, and I kept getting turned away I believe because I was a mother of a young child, and there was a fear of me taking time off all the time, only wanting part time hours etc etc etc....but I wouldnt blame employers thinking this though. If you can afford to go get a UK qual, I would advise that, NEBOSH cert might be a good start. Then perhaps contact companies who take on grads, you are probably well above graduate level, but its a foot in the door. Chin up, and keep trying.
Reid21932  
#15 Posted : 15 June 2012 11:57:17(UTC)
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Reid21932

VLK, I also worked abroad for a while but luckily found a job quite quickly. Keep trying and keep your head up you will get something.
cas123  
#16 Posted : 17 June 2012 10:13:00(UTC)
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cas123

Hi Vivek I live in Rep of Ireland and am looking for work in the UK and I am too finding it hard to get in some where. I have a Professional Diploma in Safety & Health (first class honours not blowing my own trumpet) I am a Manual Handling Instructor, Occupational First Aider, Safe Pass card Holder, this makes no difference as I have applied for numerous positions and not even 1 interview. Fortunately I am an optimist (like the Irish soccer fans) and feel once given the opportunity I will succeed in the Safety industry. It might take more time than I would have wished for but eventually I will get there. So keep the head up and don't give up
Lawlee45239  
#17 Posted : 18 June 2012 14:33:12(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

cas123 wrote:
Hi Vivek I live in Rep of Ireland and am looking for work in the UK and I am too finding it hard to get in some where. I have a Professional Diploma in Safety & Health (first class honours not blowing my own trumpet) I am a Manual Handling Instructor, Occupational First Aider, Safe Pass card Holder, this makes no difference as I have applied for numerous positions and not even 1 interview. Fortunately I am an optimist (like the Irish soccer fans) and feel once given the opportunity I will succeed in the Safety industry. It might take more time than I would have wished for but eventually I will get there. So keep the head up and don't give up
CAS123, what sector are you looking in?? I am from ROI too, came here 7 years ago with my Diploma. PM if you want contacts in construction sector
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