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Garfield Esq  
#1 Posted : 10 May 2012 09:57:12(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

Open door media photograhy trip in Helicopter. Any other ideas for inclusion into RA? Induction - Safety Brief; Control of camera equipment via lanyards; Other equipment secured; Communications; Supervision; Harnesses; wander leads / tether system; Weather monitoring; Individual capability / health; No mobile phones; PPE - Ear / Full body / Hands etc; Imdemnity letter?? Any other ideas?? G
Seabee81  
#2 Posted : 10 May 2012 10:53:17(UTC)
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Seabee81

Garfield All of the above with the addition of a few points from one of our generic helicopter operations RA: Particles lifted by down draft - Clear landing area etc (probably included in operators RA/Procedure) Carrying Loose Personal Items - Awareness of procedures, loose items not to be carried (again included in operators procedure) The helicopter operator will have comprehensive Risk Assessments, Procedures, Checklists etc. Check with them
JJ Prendergast  
#3 Posted : 10 May 2012 11:03:38(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

An indemnity letter .... what purpose does that serve. DOn't worry if the chopper pancakes the AAIB will be very interested in working out what happened.
chas  
#4 Posted : 10 May 2012 11:05:58(UTC)
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chas

I note you are in Highlands and Islands - are you going over water? If so what about life jackets and can everyone swim?
Graham Bullough  
#5 Posted : 10 May 2012 11:12:43(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

For situations where helicopters arrive by air to collect/discharge passengers and don't stop their rotors, passengers need to know that they should duck when approaching or leaving the helicopter because their rotors tend to droop when idling and pose a risk of decapitation. This was an important element of a briefing I attended with other members of an auxiliary mountain rescue team a few evenings before a joint training exercise involving several rescue teams and an RAF helicopter. Unfortunately I succumbed to a bout of 'flu so wasn't able to attend the actual exercise. Also, as this was back in my student days in the mid 1970s, it's possible that helicopter rotors are made of different materials nowadays and perhaps have a lesser tendency to droop.
Blest31834  
#6 Posted : 10 May 2012 12:07:58(UTC)
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Blest31834

As part of your induction process you may want to refer to page 18 of the Aviation and Aerospace Groups Airisde Safety Induction booklet which covers helicopters and droop & sail. It can be downloaded free of charge from the AAG pages: http://www.iosh.co.uk/gr.../airside_safety_dvd.aspx The pages also enable you to view the Airside Induction DVD through YouTube or order a copy from IOSH. The BBC has some useful information on Flying, helicopters and aerial filming which may prove useful guide to you. http://www.bbc.co.uk/saf...vities/flying.aspx.shtml If it is a commercial operation, you may want to check with the company you are using, if it needs to be approved by the CAA to carry out aerial photography. As part of your planning process you should also find out if there are any air traffic control restrictions in the area you want to be in. The company you are using will be best placed to advise. Brgds Rod Aviation and Aerospace Group web champion
Steveeckersley  
#7 Posted : 10 May 2012 13:16:03(UTC)
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Steveeckersley

Spooky- Thread started around 10am and then this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-18020646 Local radio bulletin says they are all safe thank goodness!
Garfield Esq  
#8 Posted : 10 May 2012 13:18:14(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

Thanks to all who provided worthwhile and positive input. The BBC link was particularly useful. G
james fleming  
#9 Posted : 10 May 2012 13:22:16(UTC)
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james fleming

Also, think about refulling if they need to do it; spill kits & fire.
Phil Grace  
#10 Posted : 10 May 2012 15:49:51(UTC)
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Phil Grace

From the tone of the original posting this sounds like a "first time" activity. If so, what is betting that your business description doesn't make mention of aerial activities - as distinct from air travel on business purposes (which is understood/accepted by insurers and doesn't need to be disclosed). You may like to bring this "new activity" to the attention of your insurers....! Phil
SNS  
#11 Posted : 10 May 2012 22:48:24(UTC)
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SNS

The helicopter operator should have all of the points covered in their SOP (Standard Operating Procedures), get them to cover it all for you and with you.
Garfield Esq  
#12 Posted : 10 May 2012 23:39:12(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

All done and thanks for input. SOP received earlier and used as the main reference point for the RA to save on duplication. As I suspected there will be an indemnity statement to sign, which appears to be standard practice within some aviation companies and indeed some maritime activities covered...Up up and away!
Graham Bullough  
#13 Posted : 11 May 2012 11:03:42(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

As already mentioned, the prime source of advice/information before the activity will be from the helicopter operator who should be dealing with aspects like proposed flight paths and prohibited or restricted flying areas, etc. Also, the pilot will or should be in strict overall charge during the activity. Over the years I had a number of requests from schools for advice in connection with proposed or expected visits by helicopters (e.g. flown by former pupils who had become military or civilian pilots). In all cases, my advice was to liaise with the operators - the experts - about precautions and requirements. These would always include pre-agreeing a defined landing/take-off zone of suitable size and how people would be excluded from it, e.g. pre-briefing for spectators, adult supervision and perhaps temporary posts and tape. This is relatively easy to ensure at school sites with fenced playing fields. By contrast it's harder at publicly accessible locations: About a year ago I was asked to advise about a request by a couple who were planning their wedding and wished to travel from the church to their reception venue by helicopter. This depended on consent from my employer, a local authority, for the helicopter to use a public playing field/open space adjacent to the church. As ever, my advice was to liaise with the prospective helicopter operator/s about the practicalities or otherwise of using the space and being able to keep people, stray dogs, etc., away from the landing zone. I heard no more about the matter, so never knew if the couple did travel by helicopter after their nuptials!
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