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Thought share this with you all:
I was driving back home tonight (early for a change!!) when I noticed a white unmarked van at the junction of one of the main roads in town. 3 lads wearing all "designer" safety gear (ie none!), chapter 8? (of the latest best seller of course!) not applied, had open a manhole (live sewer which is massive in this area by the way!) then one of them went down in the manhole. Least to say that none of the confined spaces/live sewer precautions were applied, even gloves were amiss!!!
Now if you found yourself witness of an instance where human lifes are at risk chances are you call 999, no?
So in this case the question is, ladies & gents, who you gonna call?
PS: just wish that the fairy godmother got me the gift of "dont give a damn" together with wealth & ability to fly if you see what I mean!!!! Rant over, carry on!!
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I've had similar and the best thing to do is pull over, get your PPE on and speak to the guys.
We have a moral duty to act that doesn't turn off when we clock off.
You don't have to be agressive. If they ask you who you are say you work in Health and Safety.
Don't forget to smile!! :)
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A gut reaction is necessary - they could be disposing of body parts for all you know, so pulling over to speak with them could be dicing with death (an unmarked van you say...).
If you are more optimistic than I am then get out and chat with them, if they let you get away in one piece you could call the HSE or the police - that is assuming they dont all get the correct equipment out the back of the van.
I see people risking their lives every now and again, sometimes I'll do somethig direct, but usually I'll call the HSE.
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I have seen roofer walking all over ACM roofs 6m off the ground with no edge protection or harnesses. I phoned the local HSE who thought they might be able to get there 'tomorrow'. They had gone two hours later.
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i) Stop in a safe place, take out my camera and take photos, the purpose of which would be :-
a) add them to my gallery
b) to hand them over to an investigating agency
ii) Dial 999 and report he incident.
I would dial 999 based on the description of events given. This is because, its highly likely they are not contractors on a job, but a gang of metal thieves, posing as contractors to divert attention before driving off with the manhole cover in the back of their van, leaving a deep sewer exposed for someone to either fall into or drive into.
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From the scenario described, I share jfw's view that the trio seen are most likely to be metal thieves, though it's not quite clear why one of them entered the manhole. Theft of all types of metal, including cast iron covers for drains and manholes, continues to rise in the UK and the people who commit it are evidently ruthless and have no regard for anyone their actions may endanger or affect. This includes road users, including cyclists who are particularly at risk from the openings left by the theft of roadside drain covers. Metals which form part of war and other memorials, even in town centres, are also vulnerable, as shown by the recent theft of the memorial plaque to the 2 boys who were killed by an IRA bomb in Warrington.
Therefore, I think the best action in such circumstances is to phone the police as soon as you can with details, including why you think the people seen are criminals and not contractors (i.e. no sign of any PPE and no warning signs for other road users.) If you think you can get one or more photos of the activity WITHOUT putting yourself at risk of being spotted by the people involved, they may well be of help to the police, etc. regarding any subsequent investigation. Even jotting down a registration number of the vehicle involved might help. Though there's no guarantee of a rapid response from the police, they are surely the best people to contact regarding 1) the possibility that a crime is being committed and 2) taking appropriate measures to make the location safe if necessary. The police will also know how to contact the local highway authority organisation at any time for practical action like signage, barriers and, sooner or later, replacement manhole covers.
Despite what some OS&H people might think, the HSE is not an emergency service and has neither staff nor other resources to provide a 24/7 response. Even in the event of a major incident like Buncefield, it would take some time for HSE to arrange for relevant inspectors and specialists to attend the location involved and start liaising with the police and other organisations with a 24/7 emergency response remit.
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BernDaley wrote:Thought share this with you all:
I was driving back home tonight (early for a change!!) when I noticed a white unmarked van at the junction of one of the main roads in town. 3 lads wearing all "designer" safety gear (ie none!), chapter 8? (of the latest best seller of course!) not applied, had open a manhole (live sewer which is massive in this area by the way!) then one of them went down in the manhole. Least to say that none of the confined spaces/live sewer precautions were applied, even gloves were amiss!!!
Now if you found yourself witness of an instance where human lifes are at risk chances are you call 999, no?
So in this case the question is, ladies & gents, who you gonna call?
PS: just wish that the fairy godmother got me the gift of "dont give a damn" together with wealth & ability to fly if you see what I mean!!!! Rant over, carry on!!
What time of the evening/ night, and where?? Perhaps if in the London area it may be something a bit worse that taking a bit of metal, with our lovely June Bank Holiday events and subsequent summer long sporting activities, could it be something worse???
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Agree, if safe to do so (for you) - try and get as much information about the van and it's occupants (registration, make and model, what they looked like) plus exact location if possible then call the police. Explain the serious nature of the incident i.e. potentially life threatening to the person in the manhole and accident waiting to happen etc..
For good measure, call the HSE and inform them though unlikely they would investigate unless the van had been marked with the company logo and "how's my driving - ring....." sticker on the back!
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When you say 'Unmarked' do you mean no company name or just plain white? If it's the latter I suggest you ring the police now. I can see of no conceivable reason why a vehicle without reflective markings on the rear and amber beacons would be used for such a job, regardless of the occupants.
Even if they are dodgy subbies it's unlikely that a contracting agency would of allowed that obvious a guff.
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Do not let such people see your number plate or any other type of identification as I know for certain that if they are real players they have access to number plate owner details! I know of a case where people were visited at their home addresses!!!
Morality does not come into it; if it did both the police and the HSE would be adequately financed etc.
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According to press reports Greater Manchester Police have run a campaign to try and tackle metal theft in various ways, especially by targeting scrap yards in a bid to make it much harder for thieves to be able to get money for stolen metal without giving details of their identity and the sources of the metals. Also, scrap yard operators are under pressure to report suspicious offers e,g, of cast bronze plates with lettering which leaves little doubt that they've come from war memorials. Also, it seems that the campaign has been having some effect because the number of metal theft incidents has gone down by about 50% since the campaign began about 6 months ago.
Hopefully, police forces in other areas have similar campaigns. Even if they don't, I guess that police forces generally wish to be informed about any suspicious activities such as that described at the start of this thread. It's foreseeeable that in cases where the police can respond promptly to calls from vigilant members of the public they can catch thieves actually stealing metals or conveying them soon afterwards and thus have ample evidence to support successful prosecutions of such people. Also, if police investigate an activity reported in good faith as suspicious and find that it is legal, I guess that whoever has reported it will not be at risk of being accused of wasting police time. Please can anyone with better knowledge of police work confirm this aspect?
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who you gonna call? - GhostBusters:)
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SP900308 wrote:who you gonna call? - GhostBusters:)
hahahhaah, this is all I'm singing at the moment
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