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SBH  
#1 Posted : 21 May 2012 14:18:01(UTC)
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SBH

How does your salary compare to 3 years ago? Plus does anyone else feel that the salary scales are on a downward slide SBH
SafetyGirl  
#2 Posted : 21 May 2012 14:21:25(UTC)
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SafetyGirl

I'm very lucky - my salary has almost doubled in 8 months and gone up £22k in 3 years. If I'd stayed in LA, I was due for a pay cut. It all has to do with the geographical area and the type of industry you're in.
Lawlee45239  
#3 Posted : 21 May 2012 14:31:06(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

4 years ago £35k plus 3 years ago nothing (maternity leave) 1 1/2 year ago I returned to work, on a part time basis and am getting just below £20k. Relative to location and tasks. Looking back on it now, 4 years ago I was on too much (didnt complain at the time!!) for my task as site based safety officer. Now as sole H&S Advisor/ Manager doing a lot more with audits/ client and PC interaction, booking of training, developing SMS, site visits, presentations etc I am greatful that I have a job, and perhaps when I make my stamp in the company the pay will reflect, and I wanted to return to work to get back into my chosen profession rather than have gone to Uni all them years for nothing.
df2  
#4 Posted : 21 May 2012 14:31:21(UTC)
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df2

I've been in post for 2 years, with minimal change in salary level. maybe a 1% rise in 2 years.
Terry556  
#5 Posted : 21 May 2012 14:50:27(UTC)
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Terry556

I started on £18K 5 years ago I am now on 24,400 still below the UK average,
Scotland1  
#6 Posted : 21 May 2012 14:51:12(UTC)
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Guest

Im just new in the HSE world and have came in at £35.5k. The salary is suffice for my knowledge to be honest so im not complaining......yet !
Jake  
#7 Posted : 21 May 2012 14:57:02(UTC)
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Jake

Between 13% - 15% rise each year (over a five year cycle then capped).
Melrose80086  
#8 Posted : 21 May 2012 15:20:17(UTC)
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Melrose80086

Similar to Lawlee in that I was full time, went off on maternity and decided to come back part time once the money had run out and to prevent my brain from turning into Ready Break! Essentially doing a 5 day job in 3 days now though which can be tough at times but enjoy the adult conversations (there is only so much Justin Fletcher a person can take in a week and don't get me started on In the Night Garden!!). Public sector so pay not increased pro rata much and with the cost of petrol spirraling ever upwards, effectively equates to a reduction in pay - though have moved to an office nearer my home so swings and roundabouts as they say. Nearly at the top of the pay scale though so that may change in future years. Grateful that I have a job though and can utilise the qualifications attained from all those years spent at various Universities.
walker  
#9 Posted : 21 May 2012 15:49:25(UTC)
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walker

I've got a job and for that I'm gratefull I think its a bit insensitive to people I know who are out of work to even think about this subject at the present. Lots of us will be joining them shortly.
alexmccreadie13  
#10 Posted : 21 May 2012 15:52:48(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

Walker is right people just be happy. For interest sake Feb 2012 I was on £50,000 then made redundant now on £35,000 but I have a job at 62 I am happy.
A Kurdziel  
#11 Posted : 21 May 2012 15:54:36(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

No pay rise for two years but thanks to the government I now have higher pension contributions. So I have had a pay cut really. We have been told that all promotion is frozen for the foreseeable future so it looks like I’m stuck.
Seabee81  
#12 Posted : 21 May 2012 16:18:32(UTC)
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Seabee81

Funny this subject should come up, I'm actually renegotiating my contract at the moment. I'm working in Norway through a UK agent. The salary proposed is a less than the average for my level of responsibility and location, but it's a solid start and will allow for comfortable living between here and the UK. I enjoy the job most days and the future looks secure for the time being so I'm happy with that.
messyshaw  
#13 Posted : 21 May 2012 17:25:50(UTC)
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messyshaw

A Kurdziel wrote:
No pay rise for two years but thanks to the government I now have higher pension contributions. So I have had a pay cut really. We have been told that all promotion is frozen for the foreseeable future so it looks like I’m stuck.
That makes two of us! I am also on £6K less than a colleague doing a comparable job, but have been told that grade/salary reviews have also been cancelled indefinitely. My only pay rise in 2 years has been since I have been press ganged into being on call from home out of hours (on weekday nights and weekends, every other week) for the enormous additional payment of around 62p an hour!!! (before tax!!!!!!!!)
Garfield Esq  
#14 Posted : 21 May 2012 18:07:07(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

SBH wrote:
How does your salary compare to 3 years ago? Plus does anyone else feel that the salary scales are on a downward slide SBH
2011 40k with car and fuel paid and travelling the country staying in hotels. 2012 50k without car or fuel allowance and no travel. I know many with less quals on much more and more quals on much less! As others have said it all depends on sector, location, hard work and luck! G
m  
#15 Posted : 21 May 2012 21:20:52(UTC)
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m

No pay rise since 2009 (1%) and just been made redundant. Salaries on the jobs pages are looking between £25K and £42K though mainly around £30K
cbrpete  
#16 Posted : 21 May 2012 22:58:27(UTC)
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cbrpete

I passed the NGC last year and am finding that this is no longer enough and am thinking about doing the Diploma. There are some very lucky people with good salaries. I have seen this job floating around the websites in the last couple of weeks with various agencies. They want experience and prefer you to have your NGC or confirmed commitment to obtaining. http://www.totaljobs.com...ance=5.0&precision=3 Salary is 15k Pete
allanwood  
#17 Posted : 22 May 2012 09:16:10(UTC)
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allanwood

Same salary as i was on 4 yrs ago but getting battered with tax increases!!!!!!!!!
chris42  
#18 Posted : 22 May 2012 09:35:15(UTC)
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chris42

3 years ago £34K, them made redundant, so now on £3,692 a year Job seekers.
SafetyGirl  
#19 Posted : 22 May 2012 09:35:51(UTC)
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SafetyGirl

walker wrote:
I've got a job and for that I'm gratefull I think its a bit insensitive to people I know who are out of work to even think about this subject at the present. Lots of us will be joining them shortly.
I think this a wee bit unfair walker. The question was asked. Its an open forum and people have the choice to reply openly. Likewise, if people think that the subject may be touching on a sensitive part of their particular circumstances, then they have the choice of not opening the link.
kdrum  
#20 Posted : 22 May 2012 09:41:14(UTC)
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kdrum

Work in public sector in Education and now earning £1,400 less than when I started job in Jan 2009. As others although feel a bit hacked off at changes I am still in a job I love.
RayRapp  
#21 Posted : 22 May 2012 09:45:09(UTC)
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RayRapp

Hmm, I think it is a valid thread, but I am also acutely aware that many colleagues are out of work and therefore the question is not really valid. I would not say I'm on £50k but have taken a £10k pay cut from my last job as this would be insensitive. I think most practitioners are thick skinned enough (you have to be) to understand a genuine question from a dig. Back to the original point, I think the current recession has meant that many practitioners are on lower salaries than a few years ago - I know I am. Hopefully things will pick up in the near future. I am surprised that so many practitioners are on relatively low wages. It appears the kudos IOSH hoped for by gaining chartered status has not materialised.
Stedman  
#22 Posted : 22 May 2012 09:56:48(UTC)
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Stedman

Salary history in the last four years: 2008 asked to take a 10% voluntary reduction and give up pension 2009 made redundant and immediately fell on my feet with a significant rise 2010 cost of living rise 2011 salary freeze 2012 it has been suggested that we may have a small cost of living rise again however my professional costs are much higher. As a CDM-C with two chartered qualifications, the mandatory RMaPS and extensive project experience I am currently at the top of my game, however if I am made redundant I am expecting a significant salary hit. I am also being asked to apply for another senior position which in theory is a promotion; however this is also being advertised externally which is likely to draw the salary offer significantly down. My assessment is that the open market rate is 20% down, however this does not account for the fact that there are less senior positions (i.e. opportunities for promotion) around.
Melrose80086  
#23 Posted : 22 May 2012 10:00:24(UTC)
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Melrose80086

Given that IOSH themselves have just issued the 2012 Salary Survey, it is interesting to see if people are better or worse these days and if employers "still" value their H&S employees.
Stedman  
#24 Posted : 22 May 2012 10:04:07(UTC)
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Stedman

RayRapp wrote:
It appears the kudos IOSH hoped for by gaining chartered status has not materialised.
Sorry but without the Chartered Status that we enjoy we would have hammered! Interestingly APS are also actively going down this route and I suspect that this downward salary trend also applies to other professions.
pburns  
#25 Posted : 22 May 2012 10:15:28(UTC)
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pburns

Last year's ncrease 2%, year previous 3% so in real terms against inflation no increase, however you have to be thankful for small mercies. Luckily we still got our bonus despite making a loss. I dont actually believe Chartered status has influenced my salary scale since the day I received it, so perhaps IOSH needs to communicate this more clearly to forums so they understand that they are not just getting someone with a safety qualification.
Boycie  
#26 Posted : 22 May 2012 10:19:01(UTC)
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Boycie

My salary has reduced. My previous salary included a company car and fuel card, my current salary includes a casual car user allowance, which means that I am hammered for insurance, road tax and increased fuel and repair costs etc. The Pension was an attractive substitute, but this is to change when my contributions increase further reducing my salary. The salary has been frozen for 2 years, which means less spending power. On the bright side we are becoming part of a Private Finance Initiative and salaries may be reviewed with each person being given the opportunity to negoitate their own terms and conditions. This could result in different payments to people doing the same job and will be dependent upon their negotiating skills.
JJ Prendergast  
#27 Posted : 22 May 2012 11:04:16(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

I consider myself to be very, very lucky. 2009 - £50k staff job 2009 - Made redundant, got a new job within 1 week, but £10k less 2010 - Asked by another company to work for them, back to £50k 2011 - Took the gamble of going freelance/contracting in the energy/oil/gas sector. Excellent so far, nett (take home pay) is over 2.5x salaried / staff job. Given I work in the energy/power sector and the ever need for oil/gas and also looking like the announcement of new nuclear power stations and others nuclear related projects - I an pretty confident of having constant work. Might have to work away in some odd places but worth it. The years of study & exams were worth it. Redundancy, with hindsight, was good for me. Sympathies to those looking for work its tough going for too many at the moment.
Garfield Esq  
#28 Posted : 22 May 2012 15:39:44(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

JJ Prendergast wrote:
I consider myself to be very, very lucky. 2009 - £50k staff job 2009 - Made redundant, got a new job within 1 week, but £10k less 2010 - Asked by another company to work for them, back to £50k 2011 - Took the gamble of going freelance/contracting in the energy/oil/gas sector. Excellent so far, nett (take home pay) is over 2.5x salaried / staff job. Given I work in the energy/power sector and the ever need for oil/gas and also looking like the announcement of new nuclear power stations and others nuclear related projects - I an pretty confident of having constant work. Might have to work away in some odd places but worth it. The years of study & exams were worth it. Redundancy, with hindsight, was good for me. Sympathies to those looking for work its tough going for too many at the moment. [Agreed!]
stevie40  
#29 Posted : 22 May 2012 15:47:44(UTC)
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stevie40

Private sector, insurance. 3 years ago, £45k. Currently £50k + £10k pa bonus average. All the approaches I get for similar jobs (by headhunters) are offering less money so thankful to be where I am.
MaxPayne  
#30 Posted : 22 May 2012 15:51:43(UTC)
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MaxPayne

I think a far more relevent subject which is along the same lines is the stress associated today in respect of either having lost and searching for employment, or the fear of losing what employment we may still be lucky enouth to retain. We all took a pay cut last summer and have had contracts and T&C changes imposed, but I still consider myself lucky to still be here. If the experts are correct about Greece and the wider EU economy, we're far from out of the woods yet.
JJ Prendergast  
#31 Posted : 22 May 2012 17:13:26(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

MaxPayne wrote:
If the experts are correct about Greece and the wider EU economy, we're far from out of the woods yet.
And look where listening to the so called financial 'experts' has got us...... of course you can afford a £300k house on a salary of £30k with no deposit. It was obvious 5-6 years ago the housing bubble was not sustainable - so why couldn't the bankers and estate agents see it? Guess they were too interested in their short term bonus rewards, to think of the long term
chris42  
#32 Posted : 22 May 2012 17:55:45(UTC)
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chris42

The thing is, it is not just the money, terms and conditions are getting worse. As a job seeker, I have noticed at lot more temporary and short time work. There seem to be a lot of six month / one year contracts about, so the governments idea of making it easier to fire people is behind the times, employers already have a way of doing this. You go from one short term contract to the next. This will have an impact on H&S as there will be a greater turnover of people, more induction / safety training etc. Health surveillance, will be interesting if no one stays more than a year, stress levels rising as people will be constantly worried for the future. I think it will be an interesting time ahead in H&S.
Garfield Esq  
#33 Posted : 22 May 2012 20:06:30(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

No doubt I will get shot down for this, however I must highlight the other side of the coin. Until 2 weeks ago I was employed by a major accreditation body and in regards to general industry statistics, the push towards gaining certification to 18001/14001 is vibrant to say the least. I have assessed almost every sector over the last 14 months and have found the world of HSEQ to be in relatively good health compared to other sectors. Indeed, statistics indicate that during recession many companies actually use the quieter periods to work towards certification to said standards so that they are in a better place to tender when things improve. Oh yes there is a 'however'. The most significant/savage cuts I have seen are in the Public Sector and Construction - many of the HSEQ departments in local authorities have simply vanished, just like entire construction companies. Every company I have assessed in regard to Oil & Gas is booming, not just in Aberdeenshire - also Central Scotland, East Midlands and London amongst others. People employed in this sector are doing well, however not to the point of being impervious to cuts, my company is currently in the throes of another 'review' so who knows whats next. Renewables doing well but that depends on continued support from the Government. In conclusion, there seems to be a lot of negativity about our sector - what I'm suggesting is that we are worse off than some and better off than others! No consolation to fellow practitioners who have taken a hit or been made redundant, but its not all bad news. As for Greece and the ongoing eurozone saga - irrespective of personnel politics we really must collectivley cross all our fingers! G
DP  
#34 Posted : 23 May 2012 08:24:47(UTC)
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DP

SBH - you can you look at this from a few angles - is comparable to 3 years ago doing the same job? Or have your personal circumstances changes taking into consideration the point of being worse off. Personally - I have had COL rises in the last three years only but I'll take that in this current climate - I have taken on much more responsibility in my role anther full department and a big chunk of work from another - this is where I'm worse off - in the good times a remuneration package would have been the norm not currently - you just have to get on with it. You have to look at the positives or you'll go nuts thinking about it. I have got the above but think of the new skill I now have!
james655  
#35 Posted : 23 May 2012 10:40:12(UTC)
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james655

Last full time role 5 years ago £40k plus car, pension and allowances. Most of my fellow managers (construction, commercial, HR, etc) now made redundant or working at least 100 miles from home and staying away during the week. Worked in mainline construction then started my own Limited Company and jumped to Energy Sector. Rates in mainline construction down 20-30% but opportunities rare. Rates in energy/nuclear sector excellent. My friend tells me if you are not invoicing 2k a week it’s not worth getting out of bed!! You need to be flexible and not wait for the ideal job just down the road, in your comfort zone, working 9-5. Good luck.
Paul Duell  
#36 Posted : 23 May 2012 12:29:29(UTC)
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Paul Duell

Civil servant, so my gross basic is exactly the same as three years ago (although there's a rumour that we may get 1% by the end of the year). With the increase in pension contributions, my take home is significantly less. I'm still one of the lucky ones though - Mrs D and I still both have jobs. There's plenty that can't say that.
Rickwood22154  
#37 Posted : 23 May 2012 13:42:59(UTC)
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Rickwood22154

About six years ago I decided to quit full time work and look for something two days a week, when I was in full time work my salary was 25k, the company advertised job and did not specify qualifications just working towards them at a salary of approx 28k, (so much for loyalty) I am happy with what I'm doing, the hours and at 63 in work that's priceless
SP900308  
#38 Posted : 23 May 2012 13:52:11(UTC)
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SP900308

I certainly wouldn't state my salary on an open forum but would say I'm grateful to be in employment and sympathise with the many that aren't at present. Anyone can see that, generally, salaries being offered are around 20% down since 2007/2008, some sectors fairing better than others. Those who managed to maintain constant employment since 2007/2008 may have benefited or may have had to reduce hours or salary. Those applying in the current market would probably have to come to terms with the reduced monies being offered! You are worth what someone is willing to pay you - that depends on their need and size of their pot.
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