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dbrookf1  
#1 Posted : 29 May 2012 16:45:40(UTC)
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dbrookf1

Anyone got any opinions on the subject of refresher training on general H&S topics such as Risk Assessment, online DSE, slips/trips/falls, manual handling and environmental awareness-type training courses? ie does refresher need to be done, if so, how often? I only ask as some staff are saying we are expecting too much of them re refreshers! How do you manage this in your company?
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 29 May 2012 17:01:28(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

It's going to depend on the level of risk. One of the substantial drivers will be that ambulance chasers will ask for evidence of training and how frequently it is refreshed if there is an injury claim.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 29 May 2012 21:05:38(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

You actually 'train' people on avoiding tripping or slipping? By "Risk Assessment" are you talking about the competent persons conducting the Assessment? Are you talking 'Training' or awareness briefings/ toolbox talk type of thing?
saferay  
#4 Posted : 30 May 2012 11:34:44(UTC)
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saferay

Refresher training does not need to be a full course. If you hold regular team meetings try using 'safety snippets'. These need only take a couple of minutes to refresh segments of topics. ie. water extinguishers are suitable for class A fires and B or electrical, CO2 suitable for electrical etc.etc. Make a note of what is discussed and who attends each meeting. I have developed a 'safety snippet' sheet with 52 items (1 for each weekly meeting) covering fire, manual handling, COSHH, DSE, work at height, electricity.
saferay  
#5 Posted : 30 May 2012 11:35:52(UTC)
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saferay

Oops. Sorry should have said NOT electrical fires.
Seabee81  
#6 Posted : 30 May 2012 11:42:29(UTC)
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Seabee81

A quick toolbox talk or "safety snippet" as Ray has described should be sufficient. People wont be happy about having to sit through an hour long training session and will most likely switch off after the first few slides anyway.
Kate  
#7 Posted : 30 May 2012 13:31:34(UTC)
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Kate

Refresher training shouldn't be just a repeat of the original training. It should be a chance to practise and be tested on the skills or knowledge that were supposed to be learned the first time. So an exercise or a quiz and discussion format.
ctd167  
#8 Posted : 30 May 2012 13:41:22(UTC)
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ctd167

On larger construction projects, the principal contractor usually has a requirement for tool box talks to be conducted weekly. These can be generic where you go through a 52 item list, or specific, if an incident has occurred on site during the week and the message needs to get across. As ray has intimated, they only need to be a few minutes long, 5 at the most, presented to small groups of no more than 8 people, and whilst the talk itself doesn't need to be documented, its a wise move to get the participants to sign a briefing register as conformation of there participation. I've found that an open forum works best where all participants are expected to contribute, and not just the poor guy at the front who ends up looking at a sea of bored faces.
SP900308  
#9 Posted : 30 May 2012 14:51:40(UTC)
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SP900308

My company recently required us to sit through a new training programme. Topics included one which explained how to behave in a working environment. For example: How not to touch yourself inappropriately when speaking to a colleague. How not to touch a colleague inappropriately. How to announce ones self when entering a colleagues work area. Once complete I must say I learnt nothing other than how paranoid some employers can be!
Andrew W Walker  
#10 Posted : 30 May 2012 14:56:38(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

SP900308 wrote:
My company recently required us to sit through a new training programme. Topics included one which explained how to behave in a working environment. For example: How not to touch yourself inappropriately when speaking to a colleague. How not to touch a colleague inappropriately. How to announce ones self when entering a colleagues work area. Once complete I must say I learnt nothing other than how paranoid some employers can be!
Is it Friday?????
SP900308  
#11 Posted : 30 May 2012 15:02:44(UTC)
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SP900308

Andy, I kid you not! The training module was about half hour's worth with video clips in support. I wonder how many employees did actually learn anything useful. What a 'carry on'
A Kurdziel  
#12 Posted : 30 May 2012 15:02:45(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Yes there should be some short of refresher training but this need not be the same form as the original training. We are in discussion about what we need to do about fire awareness. All staff stating work here are given basic fire safety awrenss and the proposal is that we should ‘invite everybody’ for a 1 hour session. Here we would regurgitate what was said at induction. Personally I think that this would be a waste of time as a) I’ll be lucky if 10% of the people turn up b) I don’t think that they would learn anything useful I am suggesting instead that each team set if self a local fire awareness objective-so that once a year the team leader will take his/her staff around the local area and look at things like fire doors, fire escape routes, fire call points, and fire extinguishers. For most team this should take 15 minutes but it will be relevant More useful than trying to force feed information into unwilling participants.
Andrew W Walker  
#13 Posted : 30 May 2012 15:16:54(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

SP900308 wrote:
Andy, I kid you not! The training module was about half hour's worth with video clips in support. I wonder how many employees did actually learn anything useful. What a 'carry on'
I can hear Sid James laughing in the background.
SP900308  
#14 Posted : 30 May 2012 15:19:02(UTC)
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SP900308

Andy - exactly! Right, where's me trousers - I'm off home.... good night all!
andybz  
#15 Posted : 30 May 2012 16:48:05(UTC)
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andybz

Refresher training should be a continuous process because it is impossible for any person to retain all the knowledge, skill and understanding they need to deal with every situation. Unfortunately implementing an effective refresher training program is very difficult. In fact I would go as far as saying any company or individual that can develop an effective refresher training system would become very wealthy because the benefits to business would be enormous. As people have already said, refresher training should not be a re-run of the original training given. It should be targeted where it is needed. It should, for example: * Give people the opportunity to use a skill that they do not get to use very often * Remind about information that is easily forgotten, but may be required at short notice so that there would not be time to go and find it when required * Make people re-evaluate their understanding of risks where complacency is a possibility To identify requirements it is necessary to have a good definition of what competence is required and how much experience people have in using it. This will vary from person to person, and is likely to change over time. The frequency of refresher training would then depend on how quickly competence could degrade, which can be affected by many factors. As I said, this is not easy but some effort in planning and implementing correctly will, in my opinion, have great safety and business benefits,
Robinson22450  
#16 Posted : 30 May 2012 21:16:37(UTC)
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Robinson22450

In our retail environment we complete annual competence checks (quiz) and if below a certain score in a specific area is not achieved then we would refresh those elements of the training. It saves colleagues repeating training and at the same time reviews an element level of competence / awareness. As mentioned above is does depend on the level of risk and the environment where colleagues work (i.e. distribution centres we need to refresh specific training due to level of risk and some statutory).
Phillips20760  
#17 Posted : 31 May 2012 11:43:52(UTC)
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Phillips20760

Hiya, I've posted on this topic before and I will again, due to the strength of feelings I have about it.... On the majority of safety subjects there is no legal requirement for refresher training and research indicates that the majority of refresher training is a total waste of time. Whoops I've said it again! The main legal requirement in most regulations is to ensure competence not to ensure refresher training. A far more effective method of ensuring competence is via interview, monitoring, inspection, observations etc. and keeping a formal record of what employees work practices actually are. If there are employees which competencies fall beneath the required standard then by all means give them refresher training but don't deliver this to every employee whether or not they require it! A good example is FLT drivers. If you have 400 FLT driers on site, how do you manage to give them refresher training every 2, 3, 4 or 5 years? A better approach is to monitor drivers through a formal programme involving 'assessments' or 'observations', monitoring unsafe acts, accidents etc. and then deciding who requires refresher training or even retaking of their license. Keeping a record of such assessments and monitoring will be far more benefical in "ensuring competency" and defending a claim rather than sitting someone on the same course every 3 years. Rant over, Enjoy your day! Ian
SP900308  
#18 Posted : 31 May 2012 12:58:33(UTC)
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SP900308

Ian, That may be appropriate with the example given but how do you keep on top of technical innovation, improved techniques, changing environments, professional development, changes to legislation, best practice etc? Your analogy suggests that the job never changes, therefore you only need to perform to the standard you were taught........However many years ago that may be. Additionally, how does the assessor ensure he / she remains competent to assess without keeping abreast of the aforementioned examples?
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