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KKemp  
#1 Posted : 01 June 2012 10:46:30(UTC)
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KKemp

Hello,

we have a fixed ladder in out production area but it does not have a cage around or hoop around at the top to prevent fall back etc..

What is the legal requirement around this, is it required or only at a certain height?

if anyone could share some light it would ver very much appreciated
Thanks
Katie
son of skywalker  
#2 Posted : 01 June 2012 11:03:45(UTC)
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son of skywalker

I have observed plenty of these typees of ladders that would not stop a fall.

These hoops are a type of fall protection and there are systems which can be employed where an employee can hook a line on as they are about to climb the ladder and the fall protection reduces in length as they go up the ladder.

If they fall the fall protection stops the impact at the bottom.

SOS
redken  
#3 Posted : 01 June 2012 11:28:34(UTC)
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redken

http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrhtm/rr258.htm

Various legislative and guidance documents specify ladder safety hoops on fixed access ladders, (alternatively rendered as caged ladders), and give the impression that the purpose of the hoops is to protect workers from falling to the ground or other platform. Previous research has indicated that there is virtually a total lack of knowledge in regard to ladder safety hoops, and in conjunction with anecdotal accident evidence and a lack of test methods, uncertainties have been raised by persons conducting working at height risk assessments as to whether safety hoops can provide any form of fall-arresting capability.

The overall aim of this preliminary investigation was to update the current state of knowledge and understanding in regard to what ladder safety hoops actually are, what their intended purpose is, and to establish by preliminary testing whether or not they could provide any form of fall-arresting capability.
JJ Prendergast  
#4 Posted : 01 June 2012 11:32:23(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Either BS5395-3 Code of practice for the design of industrial stairs and permanent ladders and walkways

or

BSEN 14122-4 Fixed ladders

These should cover what you are looking for.

There is also some information in the ACOP for the Health Safety and Welfare Regs (L2?)

British Standards are not legally binding.

The legal bit come from the Health & Safety at Work Act, Sect 2 'safe means of access & egress'
Seabee81  
#5 Posted : 01 June 2012 11:53:38(UTC)
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Seabee81

A back scratcher should not be relied on as a primary means of fall protection. People have been known to fall backwards, hit the back scratcher and then fall straight down. Consider something like a Latchways system (other fall protection systems are available) or an inertia reel at the top of the ladder.

You will have to consider the feasibility of such systems and of course personnel will have to be properly trained to use them
Mitch01  
#6 Posted : 01 June 2012 16:54:27(UTC)
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Mitch01

Are the 'hoops' on ladders there to actually prevent a fall, or are they there to allow the climber to have a rest by leaning back on them??
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 04 June 2012 13:55:37(UTC)
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RayRapp

Cat ladders, at least that is what I know them as, are used in many different locations for access to a roof. The hoops are designed to prevent someone from falling backwards, although not infallible, they are a practical means of accessing roofs.

I am sure there are better designs or equipment for accessing roofs, but I don't see anything wrong with them personally, given they are fixed to the infrastructure. Training to use a Cat ladder - are you serious?
myudeen  
#8 Posted : 05 June 2012 16:08:29(UTC)
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myudeen

KKemp wrote:
Hello,

we have a fixed ladder in out production area but it does not have a cage around or hoop around at the top to prevent fall back etc..

What is the legal requirement around this, is it required or only at a certain height?

if anyone could share some light it would ver very much appreciated
Thanks
Katie

I would say approximately 8-10 feet from the ground because you don't want anyone passing and their head colliding with canopy or the cage around the ladder.
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