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Safety Geek  
#1 Posted : 11 June 2012 10:55:23(UTC)
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Safety Geek

Good morning everyone. I'm in the process of undertaking a fire risk assessment for a large retail premises, the floor space of the single floor open open comparment is 4,176m2. Now in Approved document B it states that where there is a single compartment on a single floor the maximum floor space is 2,000m2. Now one thing I cannot get my head around is that the previous occupiers of the building were Morrison's and there were no sprinkler systems installed then. If the building was constructed prior to the latest version of the regulations of 2000 then do the sprinkler requirements apply? Thanks Barney#1
DP  
#2 Posted : 11 June 2012 11:03:26(UTC)
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DP

Barny are there any such thing in place as fire breaks - e.g. roller shutter doors.
Safety Geek  
#3 Posted : 11 June 2012 11:44:03(UTC)
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No it's a large open space with only the external walls. It's a single compartment. I was thinking that may be a smoke curtain could provide a compartment in the event of a fire instead of installing a sprinkler system. Barney#1
DP  
#4 Posted : 11 June 2012 12:23:32(UTC)
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DP

Maybe the previous tenant wrote a fire safety strategy into their FRA - If I'm correct the information in Approved Doc B for this size or premises is written guidance regarding 'life safety sprinkler systems' - given the fact it was a supermarket a fire strategy may have been written considering building design, construction and premises use before making a decision to install a life safety system - so basically if you have robust systems and processes to get people out in a timely manager (rapid evacuation) and the use of the binding may not be high risk they may have gotten around it. Its not that uncommon. In your FRA its very important you consider what's its to be used for - you may be able to do similar.
Invictus  
#5 Posted : 11 June 2012 14:09:43(UTC)
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Invictus

Have you had a look at BS9999 2008, Code of practice for fire safety in the design management and use of buildings.
Safety Geek  
#6 Posted : 12 June 2012 19:14:40(UTC)
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Invictus wrote:
Have you had a look at BS9999 2008, Code of practice for fire safety in the design management and use of buildings.
Invictus, I've now obtained the standard and I'll have a look through it. Can anyone answer me if the building was built before 2000 when the Approved Document B was introduced do they need to install a sprinkler system? Barney#1
boblewis  
#7 Posted : 12 June 2012 21:18:37(UTC)
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boblewis

Barney#1 You should be talking to the previous occupier and not naming them on this forum. If your organisation and lawyers have done adequate Due Diligence then you should already have their FRA for the premises. Bob
Safety Geek  
#8 Posted : 12 June 2012 21:22:58(UTC)
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Safety Geek

boblewis wrote:
Barney#1 You should be talking to the previous occupier and not naming them on this forum. If your organisation and lawyers have done adequate Due Diligence then you should already have their FRA for the premises. Bob
Thank you for your helpful advice Bob!
SpaceNinja  
#9 Posted : 12 June 2012 22:13:55(UTC)
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SpaceNinja

My understanding is that you only have to adhere to the Building Regs that are in place when the building is built (or when any extension, adaption, etc. is built). Otherwise everyone would be forever having to retrofit items each time the Regs change.
Tomkins26432  
#10 Posted : 13 June 2012 10:19:50(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

Way of my area of knowledge so I might not be helping - but I do remember reading that large open building were built with considerable internal height as this allowed for safer fire management - i.e smoke gathered well above lighting etc and evacuation was OK. Is this how warehouse style shops etc meet requirements?
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