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Is there a leagl requirement for an employer to provide specific training on abrasive wheels to a competent tradesmen. The wheels in question are on hand grinders and do not require dressed or balanced and have a simple fitting mechanism.
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Yes but ensure the informaation is relevant.
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Turtle wrote:Colleagues
Is there a leagl requirement for an employer to provide specific training on abrasive wheels to a competent tradesmen. The wheels in question are on hand grinders and do not require dressed or balanced and have a simple fitting mechanism.
Some might say to be competent, you need knowledge, experience and the necessary training.
Puwer Regs mentions this too.
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Hi Turtle,
Yes there is a legal requirement. The requirements are in HSG17.
If you want to get someone on a Train the Trainer Course, I can highly recommend a Major Tool/Accessory Supplier in Milton Keynes. I did my course there last year - Instructors were very good and cost was about £180 for two day course including night in hotel.
If you want more details PM me and I'll forward them on.
Regards
Clive
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Why are these tradesmen requiring abrasive wheels training, when and why was this removed from their apprenticeship?
This would be part of what a tradesman is required to do, thus is should be part of their fundamental trade training, thus no further requirement.
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Paul,
Refresher training is required every three years.
What do you do with the "tradesman" who have come through the National Vocational Qualification "Not Very Qualified" route?
Personally IMHO I think three years is too long and should be annual.
Regards
Clive
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clive,
WHY are those with NVQ's allowed to be called tradesmen, if they don't hold relevant training in abrasive wheels, which is part of their job?
Why is refresher training needed every 3 years?
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Paul,
The first part of your question regarding what they are called is beyond me and if I were to express my personal views the post would probably be removed. I am a time served apprentice in mechanical engineering and often amazed at what I see so called tradesman do. However they do keep me employed in my present role and therefore assist indirectly with the mortgage payments and to be honest fast approaching the 50 mark, I have come to the conclusion I cannot change all the world, just little bits here and there.
For part 2, Dryliners who might only use a chopsaw fitted with an abrasive wheel (Type 41- Straight Sided Cut Off Wheels) to cut through a pack of 70mm studs may only use that piece of equipment once in a blue moon. Not every tradesman uses a piece of work equipment on a regular basis and I am sure you are aware, skill fade occurs when the task is not undertaken on a regular basis - therefore refresher training is required.
As an aside, I have a very good photo taken a few days ago of a concrete cutting saw, (not one of our guys) fitted with an abrasive wheel with more holes in it than your average Tetley Tea Bag, just about to be used by an operative who had undergone training and had been deemed competent by his employer. Feel free to PM me if you want a copy.
HSG 17 refers back to Regulation 9 of PUWER 98 re Training.
Regards
Clive
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Paul,
The first part of your question regarding what they are called is beyond me and if I were to express my personal views the post would probably be removed. I am a time served apprentice in mechanical engineering and often amazed at what I see so called tradesman do. However they do keep me employed in my present role and therefore assist indirectly with the mortgage payments and to be honest fast approaching the 50 mark, I have come to the conclusion I cannot change all the world, just little bits here and there.
For part 2, Dryliners who might only use a chopsaw fitted with an abrasive wheel (Type 41- Straight Sided Cut Off Wheel) to cut through a pack of 70mm studs may only use that piece of equipment once in a blue moon. Not every tradesman uses a piece of work equipment on a regular basis and I am sure you are aware, skill fade occurs when the task is not undertaken on a regular basis - therefore refresher training is required.
As an aside, I have a very good photo taken a few days ago of a concrete cutting saw, (not one of our guys) fitted with an abrasive wheel with more holes in it than your average Tetley Tea Bag, just about to be used by an operative who had undergone training and had been deemed competent by his employer. Feel free to PM me if you want a copy.
HSG 17 refers back to Regulation 9 of PUWER 98 re Training.
Regards
Clive
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