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ianjones  
#1 Posted : 15 June 2012 19:53:48(UTC)
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ianjones

Today I risk assessed our front yard and decided that we needed to put in a fence as there was a risk of fatality and a likelihood of 'possible' I will never know if I saved a life BUT... Somewhere maybe some on my site that i know or a member of the public or contractor is someone who's life I may have saved today. Last week, we identified a risk of latent electrocution from a frequency converter on a machine - was this a life saved? I will never know What do i do for a living? I save lives! How did you save a life this week? Please post...
F  
#2 Posted : 15 June 2012 20:57:04(UTC)
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F

I actually did save an (identifiable) life a couple of years back- and its such an incredible feeling- it makes all the agro, hassles and frustration worthwhile. How did it come about? Well their was a great deal of work and much combining "common sense" with "safety knowledge" and "human skills"- Risk identification leading to risk assessing, leading in turn to identifying a training need, finding a training specialist, getting much work done to taylor their expertise to our needs and then fighting to justify the proposed course, owning the course, adjusing it even as it was initially delivered and ensuring that all involved (even on the periphery) were made aware of what their efforts had actually achieved for person "x" and their family and friends.
F  
#3 Posted : 16 June 2012 22:00:39(UTC)
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F

And to add... I know that our professsion has made numerous real, postive differences in many people's lives. It's really "up-lifting" to hear of them, so please let's build up a good list of lives saved and improved. With all the negative comments we get bombarded with- let's show the other side....
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 16 June 2012 22:39:15(UTC)
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firesafety101

I suppose you could argue there is Direct life saving and Indirect life saving? I lost count of the number of times I've walked onto site and told men to get down from WAH without proper edge or fall protection. How many towers erected badly, MEWPs without up to date test/insp certs. fire safety equipment in poor condition and not working (broken fire alarms, empty extinguishers) etc. etc .etc. While in the fire brigade I saved many lives. Children carried out of burning houses, old people cut free from wrecked vehicles, next door neighbours evacuated from their homes at risk from the fire next door. I have also experienced the other side of the job, those that were not saved and the feeling of despair and wondering if we could have done anything different? Yes it is a good feeling to save a life, and also a good feeling when you see a child's face after you hand over his pet dog that he thought was lost in the fire.
Jane Blunt  
#5 Posted : 16 June 2012 23:41:40(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I have saved more than one life in this job. On appointment I found that there was a significant probability of asphyxiating atmospheres arising in fault conditions. I have helped reduce the likelihood of this occurring a great deal. Alongside this we now have oxygen monitoring.This has demonstrably saved life during the (thankfully few) dangerous incidents.
Bob Shillabeer  
#6 Posted : 16 June 2012 23:46:52(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Some very interesting things said already, but I don't know how many events I have prevented, simply because they never occurred. I like to believe because I told them about the dangers they faced and got management to act in a way that reduced the risk. Did I prevent a loss of life or serious injury I don't know but perhaps I got them to think and act properly!
Earley100  
#7 Posted : 17 June 2012 07:29:26(UTC)
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Earley100

I resuscitated a worker who had collapsed on site last week; he had a pulse but was not breathing. Once his breathing was restored I put him in the recovery position and monitored both his breathing and pulse. Did I safe his life? I think not, First Aid is damage limitation the Project Nurse and Ambulance were on the scene in minutes and the patient was mobilized to Hospital, discharged later the same afternoon and has made a full recovery.
John J  
#8 Posted : 17 June 2012 12:21:13(UTC)
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John J

We don't save lives any more than anybody else diligently doing a job. In fact you could argue that the cook that checks food temperature, the engineer who designs equipment and the mechanic who checks the car breaks have a more tangible claim to be life savers. Too many people in this job are worried about what the media thinks rather than quietly getting on with their jobs. I've seen accidents reduce in this job following actions I have taken or issues I have identified. Are the reductions down to me or the people who have adopted them and made them work? As most of us are at work for less than a third of the week it must be the latter.
John J  
#9 Posted : 17 June 2012 12:21:58(UTC)
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John J

'car brakes'
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 17 June 2012 14:17:45(UTC)
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firesafety101

Earley100 wrote:
I resuscitated a worker who had collapsed on site last week; he had a pulse but was not breathing. Once his breathing was restored I put him in the recovery position and monitored both his breathing and pulse. Did I safe his life? I think not, First Aid is damage limitation the Project Nurse and Ambulance were on the scene in minutes and the patient was mobilized to Hospital, discharged later the same afternoon and has made a full recovery.
You are too modest. Your actions definitely, at least assisted, in saving that person's life and you should be congratulated for your efforts. OK you can say you were part of the team that saved the life so don't feel bad about boasting about it.
Clairel  
#11 Posted : 18 June 2012 09:32:20(UTC)
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Clairel

I think it's all abit egotistically myself this concept of singing our own praises that we are 'saving a life' by potentially stopping accidents. It's not saving a life it's POSSIBLE prevention of accidents (or ill health). There is no way of knowing whether those acidents or ill health would ever have occured in the first place. Saving a life is successfully giving mouth to mounth....well done there!!! When I joined the HSE the advert said 'In two Years Time You Could Save a Life'. I have never felt that to be a true statement of H&S, not even as in Inspector. I try to prevent accidents and ill health but I have no way of knowing whether my advice (or even enforecement) has ever saved a life. People need to stop trying to justify their own existence and just get on and do the job.
Bob Shillabeer  
#12 Posted : 18 June 2012 10:45:14(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Exactly my point Clairel, we only set the means of working safely through our judgement and influence to those who actually control the work environment. The role of a HSE inspector has in my view always been one of advising employers and kicking those who wont listen, this is based on an old Railway Inspector who I talked with quite often and he told me some stories believe me.
CDJ  
#13 Posted : 18 June 2012 11:46:05(UTC)
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CDJ

My view of the competent health and safety professional is that through due diligence we help others save lives and prevent harm every day, and this is as it should be. We rarely know when we have helped save a life or prevent harm, but it becomes glaringly obvious when we haven't.
ianjones  
#14 Posted : 18 June 2012 12:04:14(UTC)
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ianjones

Guys Thank you, All the post have valid points The idea of the post is to post some uplifting messages and examples of how we have 'possibly' and - quite rightly - with others avoided fatalities please let us not get too much into the symantics of the post Its a good news post in the middle of the current HS bashing so lets not beat ourselves up!
m  
#15 Posted : 18 June 2012 12:41:14(UTC)
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m

I got a sparky to come down off a tower where the platform was 4m off the concrete floor. He had not put any guard rails up because it was a 'quick job' and his Dad was at the bottom 'footing' the tower
peter gotch  
#16 Posted : 18 June 2012 12:50:29(UTC)
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peter gotch

Ian Many years ago I served a prohibition notice on a roofing and cladding contractor who was proposing to use fall arrest instead of edge protection for a roof about 25m above ground. For whatever reason they had clad the building before roofing it. The argument was that drilling through the cladding would damage it. My position was that if the contractor couldn't demonstrate that fall arrest would be equivalent to edge protection, then not good enough. They managed to find a way of putting up edge protection. A little bird subsequently whispered to me that one of the sheeters had fallen down the roof and was caught by the edge protection. Did I save a life? Who knows what the outcome would have been? The research indicates that once you've fallen 7m, the likely outcome is the same how ever far you fall.
ctd167  
#17 Posted : 18 June 2012 13:07:06(UTC)
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ctd167

I once saved somebodys sight. I had cause to remind a plumber on site about his need to wear safety glasses. 10 minutes later i got a phone call from the medical centre. A screwdriver slipped whilst he was using it above head height, it hit his safety glasses which diverted the end of the driver to his forehead causing a fairly deep gash. The scratch on his glasses was in front of his right eye. Even today, some 3 years later, he is at pains to tell his story to anyone who will listen of how the H&S guy saved his sight.
BuzzLightyear  
#18 Posted : 18 June 2012 13:11:04(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

Good post. I agree that it is about saving lives. It's what got me into this profession and its the saving lives argument that I use to encourage our health and safety reps. I tell them they are like super-heroes! I work in social care where if we get health and safety wrong, people can die - from falling out of windows without restrictors, drown in baths if unsupervised, scald to death if thermostatic mixer valves are not properly fitted, die of legionnaires disease if buildings are not properly maintained, die of car crashes if challenging behaviour of passengers is not properly managed - to name but a few. So every time I give advice, audit or deliver training, I am doing my bit to help save lives, as is every one else who takes health and safety seriously. This is why I feel the media and Government bashing of health and safety is so disgustingly irresponsible.
CDJ  
#19 Posted : 18 June 2012 13:30:30(UTC)
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CDJ

BuzzLightyear wrote:
Good post. This is why I feel the media and Government bashing of health and safety is so disgustingly irresponsible.
WHS But it must be pointed out that H&S now has the full support of the insurance industries, who as ever use it to their advantage as do the claims solicitors (read "Ambulance Chasers") and industry has already noted a significant decrease in lost time incidents and serious injury claims. I wouldn't worry too much about the media H&S bashing as it is mostly concentrated on those advocating ridiculous and inappropriate protection measures. and most of those doing so aren't even in the H&S industry, but using H&S as an excuse to avoid claims from the public in most cases. The Daily Wail - Elf-n-safety-shuts-Murray-Mount at Wimbledon is a case in point. The grass slopes of Henman Hill - was closed in case anyone slipped and hurt their ankles
BuzzLightyear  
#20 Posted : 18 June 2012 14:46:58(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

CDJ wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about the media H&S bashing as it is mostly concentrated on those advocating ridiculous and inappropriate protection measures. and most of those doing so aren't even in the H&S industry, but using H&S as an excuse to avoid claims from the public in most cases. The Daily Wail - Elf-n-safety-shuts-Murray-Mount at Wimbledon is a case in point. The grass slopes of Henman Hill - was closed in case anyone slipped and hurt their ankles
I sort of agree and disagree at the same time. Yes the media is usually about those advocating the ridiculous - although usually turn out to be made up, twisted or taken out of context. However, I feel that the bashing drags the whole image of health and safety down - not just the 'ridiculous' Daily wail scenarios. So, I think it is healthy to remind ourselves and other people that we are in the business of saving lives.
Phil Grace  
#21 Posted : 19 June 2012 08:08:47(UTC)
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Phil Grace

CDY, You stated "But it must be pointed out that H&S now has the full support of the insurance industries, who as ever use" Coudl you elaborate exactly what you mean please. It seems to imply that insurance companies were not, in the past concernd with risk management, health and safety or accident prevention. Phil
nic168  
#22 Posted : 19 June 2012 15:45:40(UTC)
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nic168

here at the shallow end of health and safety the opportunity to save lives is a little limited, but my collegue & I did spot a broken ankle when doing an office assessment and we managed to convince the owner to go to the hospital and get it checked out. The Injured party slipped at home a couple of days earlier and was adamant it was a sprain. So not exactly life saving, but possibly saving a lot of long term problems and pain
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