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Berm  
#1 Posted : 13 June 2012 12:33:48(UTC)
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Berm

Hi, Is there anyone who can point me in the right direction. I am looking for the odd day here and there in Consultancy work. Just seem to be at a standstill within my current employment, dragging my heels and scrapping my knuckles on the floor, require stimulation!! I obtain the relevant experience and qualifications within Health and Safety. Areas I would be able to cover are Lincolnshire & Yorkshire.
Clairel  
#2 Posted : 15 June 2012 17:35:17(UTC)
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Clairel

Since no one has replied I will. Consultancy isn't just a bit of a jolly to keep you stimulated. Being a consultant is difficult and requires more than just knowledge about H&S. You'll also need PL and PI so there are cost implications. Getting work right now isn't easy, experienced consultants are struggling, especially in the geographical area you are talking about. The odd day or here or there is therefore going to be difficult to come by unless you do contract work through another consultancy but they generally want more committment than the odd day here or there.
Zimmy  
#3 Posted : 15 June 2012 19:30:55(UTC)
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Zimmy

window cleaning may be a better bet right now. Part-time H AND S. wow
pl53  
#4 Posted : 17 June 2012 10:25:04(UTC)
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pl53

Judging by the tone of the 2 replies you have got I'm guessing that you may think the people on this forum aren't very helpful. Why don't you contact a few local small businesses, golf clubs, social clubs etc. Print up some fliers and do the rounds so to speak. It's true that you will need insurance but there is no point in getting that organised until you have tested the water. Do some ground work first to try to assess if there is the potential for the work you are looking for. Good luck by the way.
pete48  
#5 Posted : 17 June 2012 18:41:32(UTC)
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pete48

It is true that life is tough for everyone at the moment but I applaud your enterprise in looking for ways to extend your skills and knowledge. I cannot help specifically but I would suggest you also talk to your IOSH branch people. You never know what may come from it. I would think that most opportunities like those you seek would come because people know you personally or have met you. Certainly those that I have been able to offer in the past have been to people that I nknew or who were referred by IOSH branch members. Consultancy is a word that can describe any manner of working contracts and it is true that setting up a consultancy business or working as a self-employed consultant is not something to embark on lightly. However, these are not the only way to acheive what you want. Good luck. I hope someone will read your post and be able to help you more directly. p48
Clairel  
#6 Posted : 18 June 2012 11:42:50(UTC)
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Clairel

pl53 wrote:
Judging by the tone of the 2 replies you have got I'm guessing that you may think the people on this forum aren't very helpful.
Because he was very much, ah well I feel like trying my hand a bit of consultancy here and there, which to me isn't the attitude to have. I do get fed up of people coming on here saying they've done a bit of health and safety and so are going to do some self employed health and safety consultancy here and there. Health and safety consultancy is not easy, not done well, it is a seperate skill that has to be learnt. That is why there are so many awful consultants out there that give the rest if us a bad reputation. It is a trade to be learnt first under the guidance of others before you go solo. Certainly the attitude of doing a bit here and there to fill the time is not a responsible approach in my opinion. Not unless you're already experienced in consultancy. This forum is always banging on about competency. Yet the forum seems ready to give the thumbs up to anyone who wants to have a crack at something which requires competency (not just H&S competency). So if the orginal post had asked for info about what is required to become a consultant then I'd have been a bit more positive in my response.
Berm  
#7 Posted : 18 June 2012 12:10:37(UTC)
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Berm

Clairel, It is a shame that people like yourself seem to have a negative approach towards others that want to get on. Maybe it might be worthwhile remembering where you were before you managed to obtain yourself in no doubt at all that high position. This forum site is for all members to use and to seek advise. Note: I have carried out consultancy work before, have over 7 years in the Health and Safety sector at TechIosh level within Steel, Gas and Oil Industries. Mainly funded myself through courses to obtain the qualifications Over the next few months I will have completed the final 2 units for the NVQ Level 5 Diploma in Occupational Health and Safety and will then be seeking GradIosh status.
Tinkerbell  
#8 Posted : 18 June 2012 12:20:58(UTC)
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Tinkerbell

Slow down you lot! Sometimes what sound like flippant remarks are just not, and we need to all be a bit wiser and should know in this business how much electronic communication is always open to misinterpretation because it does not reflect tone etc. Berm, Good luck, I did 'a bit of consultancy work' whilst on maternity leave and focussed on the small contractor who couldn't afford the overheads of a large H&S company (yes I was insured etc). I would recommend you get in with any of your small contractor contacts and spread word of mouth that you can help them out for a lesser fee (they ususally don't respond to letters or emails because of the nature of their business), it the recession it can be just what they are looking for! Just a thought. T
freelance safety  
#9 Posted : 18 June 2012 14:00:06(UTC)
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freelance safety

Ok, I’ve not been on the forum for ages, so please bear with me. Firstly, as part of trying to assist in the decision making process, let’s look at the areas you need to cover: Competency – although a national register is online (OSHCR) and many practitioners on this register don’t get any work a benchmark has been set, do you believe you meet this basic benchmark? Worth noting a quote from the Association of British Insurers “It is important to note that many organisastions (including small businesses and those in the voluntary sector) will not need to use external consultants. However, where external expertise is required only those registered with the Occupational Safety & Health Consultants Register should be utilised. Insurers will be reluctant to accept the opinions of a consultant not on the register”. Next, as Clairel rightly says you need more than some knowledge on H&S. Bookkeeping; accountancy fees (because it will interfere with your current pay); Insurances (suggest you get some quotes, I currently pay just under £2000 per year for all three insurances); setting up contracts with clients; invoicing; are you going limited (the majority of clients want this these days?) the list goes on and on! Worth noting that if you have a company car and insurance you probably will have to get another insurance for undertaking this work, as you probably won’t be covered. IT and stationary and ancillary equipment e.g. computers; mobiles etc. Just as an example, I have a friend who has dipped-in to this field whilst in an employed role. Following an investigation that was done for a client (1days work). A year later, they have been told to attend court, client won’t pay, my friend does not have suitable insurances and the case may go on for weeks! Her employers are absolutely furious, quite rightly so. There can be MANY issues like this which can then interfere with you employed role and you can become compromised, so do think this through carefully. I suggest you are upfront and discuss this with your current employers and gage and opinion. I’m definitely not saying don’t do it however, I suggest you contact the consultancy group within IOSH and get some good advice first. Feel free to contact me directly (via PM) if you wish and I will try and help you steer the right path. Either way, good luck.
Berm  
#10 Posted : 18 June 2012 19:42:03(UTC)
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Berm

Thanks for positive responses. The comments I have received are very helpful, I can certainly use these as guidance. I do have a reasonable amount of spare time with working shifts, at the end of a shift cycle I have 10 tens off. What I want to do is utilise my spare time during the working week while the family are at work and school and if that means going into different areas to use my skills, knowledge and obtain awareness and understanding through other fields then this can only be an added bonus to me and my skill set. Many Thanks.
David Bannister  
#11 Posted : 21 June 2012 19:16:47(UTC)
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David Bannister

Berm, freelance safety and clairel have both made good points. I would add that your off-shift time is for recovery, both mental and physical. Undertaking another (always) mentally and (sometimes) physically demanding job may not be in your best interests, nor your main employer's nor your potential clients. Clients demand, expect and deserve high quality service, particularly from an IOSH member. If you can consistently deliver that then you will succeed as a consultant. Otherwise, don't attempt to do two demanding jobs.
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