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Evans38004  
#1 Posted : 21 June 2012 12:51:36(UTC)
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Evans38004

Joined an utilities company over a year ago & HAVS was serious problem - x3 cases needed reported to HSE based on external occ health diagnosis. HSE were all over us for a while. New procedures adopted - new equipment sought, vibration levels & the traffic light system adopted, good maintenance + training + sample daily monitoring of staff exposure levels. HSE returned & were happy with progress. 33 employees monitored over last year - over 1000 exposure levels monitored - average daily exposure level was 0.6m/s2. Only x2 cases broke lower threshold level (2.5 & 2.6m/s2 respectively) Annual medical review last 2 weeks, indicates x3 cases need to be reported to HSE : x1 guy - was level 1 now level 3 - but has not been exposed to vibration in last year x1 guy - level 1 - but has been on off / light duties for last 9 months (after operation on shoulder) x1 new guy - level 3 - but tells us that he experiences no symptoms / concerns. Occ health doctors are working to HSE guidelines (allegedly) - but all diagnosis was done on verbal basis, no physical tests. They have stated that in all 3 cases the guys daily exposure to vibration should be monitored and not to exceed 1m/s2 - which is already the case!!! Questions: 1. Were the occ health providers doing the right examinations / diagnosis? - I am not a medical expert. 2. If so, are the HSE threshold values of any use in real life? Or are they mere arbitrary numbers that some geek in an office thought sounded good / easy to work with? (reminded that the 5dB change in the noise regs were implemented - but in reality these again are merely "nice-to-work" with figures that do not really mean much) We seem to be hurting our staff and cannot manage it - what are other real-life experiences of othere H&S professionals?
JohnW  
#2 Posted : 21 June 2012 13:37:21(UTC)
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JohnW

Evans, when I see figures for daily exposure 1m/s2 and 0.6m/s2 I'm wondering what is the probelm !?! If the daily exposures come from various emission sources, I might be able to follow this issue with you better if you could express the exposure in HAVS points re the HSE ready reckoner?
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 21 June 2012 13:48:14(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Lower Tier HAVS surveillance is not unfortunately fool-proof, but I don't think you can determine level 3 purely on the basis of interview!!! I have knowledge of issues similar to those you describe - and also symptoms 'disappearing'! There is of course the chance of admin errors mixing people up, and the remote (?) possibility of people masquerading as someone else. Does your Occ. Health provider check identity?
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 21 June 2012 13:58:16(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

This a useful explanatory reference: http://www.hse.gov.uk/vi...ployers/havocchealth.pdf
teh_boy  
#5 Posted : 22 June 2012 09:20:42(UTC)
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teh_boy

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l140.pdf I am sure there is guidance for the health professional is the back and info on how the Stockholm scale is applied...
descarte8  
#6 Posted : 22 June 2012 12:29:01(UTC)
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descarte8

2 quick questions, do the verbal description of HAVS differ significantly to that of Primary Reynaulds, and do any of the symptomatic workers have any out of work exposures to vibration? Reason for the first question is similar symptoms of HAVS or specifically VWF can be found on individuals who have had no vibration exposure in the form of primary reynaulds which can be a genetic condition (though more likely in woman than men its not impossible). For the second, I have investigated a case when an individual was 2v L/R 2sn L/R who had no occupational exposure to vibrating hand tools but was an avid motorbiker. Not going to repeat any of the previous good advice other than to say those 2 recommneded links are well worth reading. Des
Bob Howden  
#7 Posted : 22 June 2012 13:02:08(UTC)
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Bob Howden

Have experienced something similar in our workplace. Still working through the solutions.
teh_boy  
#8 Posted : 22 June 2012 13:38:29(UTC)
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teh_boy

descarte8 wrote:
and do any of the symptomatic workers have any out of work exposures to vibration? Des
Had an issue with this too, however there is no way you can stop someone exposing themselves to vibration at home.... Once diagnosed it's reportable whether we caused it or not.... answers on a postcard! Our insurance company were not overly helpful and I think we got as far as refusing to use the disclaimer they produced!!!
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