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MrsBlue  
#1 Posted : 21 June 2012 14:18:12(UTC)
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I need educating please. Do Train the Trainer courses just teach you how to plan and deliver a course of instruction. Or; Are they more specific e.g. I need to save money for my company by delivering Manual Handling training. Is there such a thing as Manual Handling - Train the Trainer and if so does anyone know of a good Training Provider in the Kent, East Sussex counties. Thanks for any advice given. Rich
Steve W1  
#2 Posted : 21 June 2012 14:37:53(UTC)
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Hi Rich Try the link below, you may find it usefull http://www.abromhead.co....SRvrC537ACFcwNtAodMRilwQ UK provider of Manual Handling Train the Trainer courses Steve W
kdrum  
#3 Posted : 21 June 2012 14:41:51(UTC)
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Rich there is a Manual Handling trainers course I know RoSPA run one and of course IOSH also run one. I have done both as the RoSPA is valid for 3 yrs and rather than do refresher with them I did the IOSH one, which in my opinion was the better of the tw. They both covered how to plan and deliver Manual Handling training sessions and included packs with slides etc you could build into your own presentation
MrsBlue  
#4 Posted : 21 June 2012 14:44:04(UTC)
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Thanks Steve W and Kdrum for prompt replies. Both very helpful. Rich
Steveeckersley  
#5 Posted : 25 June 2012 16:55:20(UTC)
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Dont know about the Rospa one but the Iosh training is ok but the presenters on the course I was on were using old hat principles of movement! You can teach someone to become a trainer but the person needs the occupational subject matter knowledge and experience in order to be effective. The problem with manual handling trainers is that they are often too generic and have not undertaken the occupational work themselves which in my view does ask some questions around credibility! Rich if you want to have credable knowledge in this area then I suggest you contact MOVES :http://moves.org.uk/about.htm Best wishes Steve
KieranD  
#6 Posted : 26 June 2012 07:51:09(UTC)
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KieranD

Rich There's important insight in the observation by Steve that 'You can teach someone to become a trainer but the person needs the occupational subject matter knowledge and experience in order to be effective. The problem with manual handling trainers is that they are often too generic and have not undertaken the occupational work themselves which in my view does ask some questions around credibility!" The 'subject matter knowledge' is actually the focus of authoritative research on the biomechanics of manual handling initially carried out at several universities and summarised in the 'NIOSH equation', which highlights the several aspects of the work environment and the individual load handler(s), avoiding the 'generic' issue trap. The matter is well explained by eminent British ergonomists, Steve Pheasant and Christine Haslegrave, in 'BodySpace', CRC Press, 3rd ed. 2005. Familiarising yourself with the ergonomic elements of the NIOSH equation means avoiding reliance on any brand name for training, since you would determine what each of your employees, including managers, need to understand risks of manhandling loads. As you explicitly state that your goal is to save your employer money, you need to understand clearly the economics involved in changing processes of manual handling. In the first instance, clearly you do the opposite of saving money by investing in training; so you not only need to ensure you're investing in appropriate practical learning but also in two other things. One of these is the economic model associated with reducing net costs of manual handling. Getting this right calls for a reasonably clear econometric equation, that enables you to regularly gather information to demonstrate validly to managers how your investment is actually reducing costs. The other is the psychological actions required to ensure that individuals, groups and their managers actually apply the learning your/their employer pays for. This calls for a valid psychological model of motivation. Getting this right calls for a reasonably clear social psychology equation, that enables you to regularly gather information to demonstrate validly to managers how your investment is actually working in terms of changed behaviour by employees and their managers. You started by expressing an interest in 'educating'. The menu includes a first course of Ergonomics, a meal of economics and social psychology for afters, ideally prepared by a chef who's a safety ergonomist and registered occupational psychologist with a degree in economics.
MrsBlue  
#7 Posted : 26 June 2012 09:04:04(UTC)
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Cheers Steve - I will contact MOVES shortly - thanks for your help. Kieran - thanks also for your imput - never thought a subject could be so complicated. Rich
KieranD  
#8 Posted : 26 June 2012 10:03:13(UTC)
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KieranD

Rich Since you explicitly wrote 'I need educating please', if you wish to understand what you call 'complicated', may I respectfully recommend that you read the relevant research published by the HSE, NIOSH and IOSH over the past decade. Some of the relevant IOSH research reports are available free on this website.
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