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ARDEN.E  
#1 Posted : 20 June 2012 12:38:35(UTC)
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ARDEN.E

I am trying to decide on which diploma I should study for as I am currently recovering from a road accident and have too much time on my hands. I have the Nebosh general cert but don't know whether to do the Nebosh diploma or an Environmental diploma next. Also, after deciding which one to do, the question then is which provider to do it with. All my working experience has been within the oil industry and would also consider a change in direction. Any advice on these courses,or possible new direction would be most appreciated.
freelance safety  
#2 Posted : 20 June 2012 13:58:59(UTC)
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freelance safety

Q. With the myriad of academic qualifications available, why are you limiting yourself to a NEBOSH course? Think NVQ; university courses e.g. Degree; Post-Grad; MSc etc; distance learning; open university…. the list goes on and on! Worth noting that if you contact IOSH they can provided a comprehensive list of providers of recognised courses. Good Luck! Feel free to PM me if you need more advice/help.
Stedman  
#3 Posted : 20 June 2012 15:58:58(UTC)
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Stedman

freelance safety wrote:
Q. With the myriad of academic qualifications available, why are you limiting yourself to a NEBOSH course? Think NVQ; university courses e.g. Degree; Post-Grad; MSc etc; distance learning; open university…. the list goes on and on! Worth noting that if you contact IOSH they can provided a comprehensive list of providers of recognised courses. Good Luck! Feel free to PM me if you need more advice/help.
Arden, If you havn't already go a degree, then freelance is correct and this is the direction to go.
Betta Spenden  
#4 Posted : 20 June 2012 18:37:09(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

Putting aside the cost issue. Yes there are other ways other than NEBOSH Diplomas such as NVQ other Diplomas etc BUT. Take a gander at the back pages of SHP. There is one common thread NEBOSH, NEBOSH and NEBOSH. It’s your money you decide, but for me that NEBOSH logo “currently” carries more weight than many others. When it’s a toss up between you with Dip-NEBOSH and the other geezer with Dip-outer Mongolia, who will the employer often go for? I can almost hear the tutting around the UK now because yes in a real and fair world it would not happen. But we don’t live in a real and fair world. At the end of the day NEBOSH is the recognised brand, it has the Kudos. That is why I did my H/S dip with NEBOSH. And then; I did my EM Dip with the British Safety Council. Why? Because it was more acceptable to IEMA without me having to sit an entrance exam. There is one provider that stands out and its where I recommend people that I know go. Have PMd you.
ScottB  
#5 Posted : 20 June 2012 20:03:43(UTC)
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ScottB

Have to agree with Betta Spenden. If you're doing it to try and enhance your employability then it's worth noting that many H&S jobs specify NEBOSH. Perhaps it's because the NEBOSH Diploma units (for the Occ H&S one at least) are assessed by NEBOSH. Whereas I believe universities mark internally which could lead to some variation and employers like to know what they're getting?? As to which Diploma, it depends on where you want to go with it. Scott
DP  
#6 Posted : 21 June 2012 17:04:37(UTC)
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DP

Betta - interesting opinion! Is that based on being recruited or as a recruiter?
SpaceNinja  
#7 Posted : 22 June 2012 09:03:03(UTC)
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SpaceNinja

Betta Spenden wrote:
Putting aside the cost issue. Yes there are other ways other than NEBOSH Diplomas such as NVQ other Diplomas etc BUT. Take a gander at the back pages of SHP. There is one common thread NEBOSH, NEBOSH and NEBOSH.quote] I have to disagree, the back pages of SHP don't say NEBOSH, NEBOSH and NEBOSH; they say NEBOSH (or equivilent), NEBOSH (or equivilent) and NEBOSH (or equivilent). So long as you include in any application that the NVQ, BSc, MSc, etc. or whatever qualification it is is equivilent to NEBOSH (so long as it actually is!) then it usually isn't too much of an issue. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are employers out there that only want someone with NEBOSH, but I think these are in the minority. Ultimately I think there is no need to narrow your options, check them all out look at the course spec, time commitments, etc. and see which is best for yourself. Check out: http://www.iosh.co.uk/me...1ad2fc50c&version=-1 There's a whole host of qualifications to choose from.
hilary  
#8 Posted : 22 June 2012 10:24:56(UTC)
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hilary

I agree with Space Ninja. When I took mine hundreds of years ago, it was the NEBOSH Diploma, NVQ or, I think, Nottingham Trent offered a diploma, but that was it. I think too much emphasis is placed on the NEBOSH Diploma as although I am sure it delivers a first class knowledge of health and safety law and requirements, there is little or no practicality in it. Sometimes the application of health and safety is in the intent and spirit rather than in the word of law, hence the term "reasonably practicable". As Space Ninja says, take your time, look at all the options and find something suitable for you. Each of us is different and one size does not fit all.
John M  
#9 Posted : 22 June 2012 10:45:21(UTC)
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John M

I thought advertising was banned on these forums - NEBOSH - NEBOSH- NEBOSH. Dear me, forget NEBOSH , go get a proper academic (University) qualification. It is more attractive and productive on your c/v Jon
freelance safety  
#10 Posted : 22 June 2012 12:37:04(UTC)
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freelance safety

Firstly ARDEN.E, I hope you have contacted IOSH regarding your next move and get some professional advice. Having been in this profession 20+ years I can tell you the following: The diploma that is being promoted is only well known in the H&S world, many employers are not that aware of it. Secondly, when it was first introduced and up until fairly recently this was one of the lower academic qualifications available for corporate, now graduate membership of the institution. It has over the last few years been raised academically to a degree level, it is not a degree! Some universities actually have this qualification as one of numerous modules as part of a degree course. Many of the people attaining chartered membership are not going down this route, many going through the OA route or higher academic routes, IOSH will confirm that this is the case. I also know this as I also reside as a peer review interviewer. Worth also noting that people with higher level qualifications get paid more, check the last few IOSH surveys! I have actually looked at copies of SHP from 10+ years ago, most of the jobs were direct employers and we see 35-65 pages of jobs. We now see a great reduction in jobs and most are agencies, only some specify the diploma mentioned? Also worth noting that some universities are still offering courses that are still subsidised and can be done part-time, by distance learning and let’s not forget the NVQ route. Again worth noting that HSE inspectors are sent on PgD university courses, not the diploma mentioned. I’m not for one second saying don’t go down this diploma route, but you do need to look at ALL the options clearly and concisely before you commit finances and time. Good Luck!
Betta Spenden  
#11 Posted : 22 June 2012 16:44:08(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

Dp:- Neither. Space Ninja:- You disagree but then your post makes exactly the same point that I am making. All that you added was (or equivilent). What is an "or equal". You may as well read that as saying "also ran", its their second option. I have not said that I consider the NEBOSH Diploma to be any better than any other Diploma out there. We as health and safety people know that there is more than one way to skin a cat. BUT, here is the stinger, a large percentage of employers however generally dont, unless that is you start playing with the big boys and girls who have senior management team members who are MIIRSM or CMIOSH etc. Facts are facts and the ultimate fact is that currently NEBOSH is the health and safety brand name that employers recognise. That fact is not going to change overnight. Yes OK that fact upsets some people, just as some people get wound up over MIOSH people being made CMIOSH overnight. There is nothing I can do about it, there is nothing anyone else can do about it, its all very sad but true, moaning about it wont change the price of fish in Grimsby. Arden, at the end of the day you choose the best option for you. Which ever route you go best of luck to you.
DP  
#12 Posted : 23 June 2012 09:57:03(UTC)
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DP

Thanks Betta – I don’t agree with you overall, not theses days. I think your point was maybe valid about 10 years ago but not now – I can recall when the Gen Cert carried a lot of weight in the job market too. The fact is the vast majority of employers do not know one qualification from another and the dip is and I agree with you here a ‘recognised brand’ that’s why you see it on the adverts – not recognised for being better just better known. I have recently been through recruitment twice and I request a level 6 safety qualification from candidates, I don’t specify which. Personally no specific qualification carries any more weight for me – the quality of the candidate does though. I have never been in a position where employing a person came down to what qualification they hold made the difference in the final decision. I can’t imagine a situation where it would. I know a lot of senior safety managers who head up teams and I don’t know one who shares your opinion either… For me – there are 101 more important things about a candidate than his / her route to CMIOSH. Hence, why I asked the question. The qualification in one small part of many things your need to be a good rounded safety professional.
Stedman  
#13 Posted : 23 June 2012 11:34:54(UTC)
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Stedman

To put a different angle on the NEBOSH Diploma, when I studied for this, my main learning objective was to acquire as much of the necessary information required to pass the final exams. When I later undertook an MSc in Environmental Management the learning experience was a much broader experience in that we were encouraged to explore and examine the subject in more detail. Looking back twenty years at the outcome of the NEBOSH process, we now have a generation of safety practitioners who are strong at quoting H&S law, however there appears to be a significant weakness when it comes to the application of Health and Safety Management.
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