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Gary 1874  
#1 Posted : 25 June 2012 09:29:11(UTC)
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Gary 1874

Hi all A relatively new member and the first time I have posted on the site. With regards to a Permit to Work system, what type of work should a permit be issued. My understanding is its for very dangerous work such as confined spaces and hot work (welding etc). Is there any other task that requires a permit?
Lawlee45239  
#2 Posted : 25 June 2012 09:41:57(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Gary 1874 wrote:
Hi all A relatively new member and the first time I have posted on the site. With regards to a Permit to Work system, what type of work should a permit be issued. My understanding is its for very dangerous work such as confined spaces and hot work (welding etc). Is there any other task that requires a permit?
Hi ya, and welcome. The ones I have used in the construction sector are; 1. Permit to dig (or excavate) 2. Permit to penetrate the ground (using pegs or road pins) 3. Ladder permit (short duration pole or step ladders) 4. Hot works permit (like you said) 5. Confine spaces (like you said) 6. Permit to enter (more to do with finished rooms and controlling the works in that area, and limiting th enumber of persons) 7. Permit to load (for falsework/ formwork) You can have a permit for just about anything though, depending on the works, and if after risk assessments there may still be an element of a hazard that needs further controlling.
JJ Prendergast  
#3 Posted : 25 June 2012 10:06:40(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Although aimed at the process industry sector, suggest you have a read of the HSE publication HS(G) 250 http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/hsg250.htm One thing that the document mentions, is not to over use PtWs, as this leads to 'PtW fatigue' and they start to get ignored/side lined etc.
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 25 June 2012 10:41:00(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

We use the PTW mainly as a way of controlling contractors, who can turn up and wander off into hazardous areas with only limited supervision. They are unfamiliar with our systems and our staff might be unaware that they are on site. The PTW makes sure that they are aware of what they are permitted to do and our people know that they are about and working on site.
Seabee81  
#5 Posted : 25 June 2012 11:17:23(UTC)
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Seabee81

Read the HSE publication as suggested at #2, you wont get better advice than that
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 25 June 2012 12:23:37(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

In an everyday sense, 'permit to access' is a common application. Plant rooms, switch rooms, lift motor housings, window cleaning cradles, roof spaces and the roof itself. Complexity is determined by both the nature of the resident hazard(s) and the nature of the work itself. Not forgetting that in many instances the 'normal' alarm sounders sometimes can't be heard. The Fire Service don't take kindly if they see the general population out assembled in the Car Park on their arrival, whilst contractor's personnel are still scampering about up on the roof, totally oblivious to the emergency.
ctd167  
#7 Posted : 25 June 2012 12:33:21(UTC)
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ctd167

Generally used for controlling contractors, we use a PTW system for any activity not involved in the actual manufacturing process. Even when we explain to contractors our requirements, we still get them turning up thinking they can undertake works without paying attention to our requirements! I had 2 contractors on a cherry picker outside once fixing a gutter who reckoned they didnt need a PTW cos it was outside, even though our order informed them EXACTLy what was required. Neither of the operatives had any working at height training! Needless to say, we wont be using these cowboys again!
Gary 1874  
#8 Posted : 26 June 2012 11:14:23(UTC)
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Gary 1874

Thanks for all your advice and comments guys.
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