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Sweeney25568  
#1 Posted : 25 June 2012 11:36:08(UTC)
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Sweeney25568

I have been asked to get involved in Risk Assessing an employee who suffers from MS. Has any one had experience of assessing this condition in the workplace and or have any guidance? Thanks
Lawlee45239  
#2 Posted : 25 June 2012 11:42:19(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Sweeney25568 wrote:
I have been asked to get involved in Risk Assessing an employee who suffers from MS. Has any one had experience of assessing this condition in the workplace and or have any guidance? Thanks
No, sorry cannot help as I have never come across this in my workplace. Does the person attend a MS clinic, would they be able to help with info on it to tailor the RA to that persons needs, or perhaps you can ring a MS clinic to obtain the info yourself.
Sara1967  
#3 Posted : 25 June 2012 12:01:30(UTC)
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Sara1967

Sweeney25568 wrote:
I have been asked to get involved in Risk Assessing an employee who suffers from MS. Has any one had experience of assessing this condition in the workplace and or have any guidance? Thanks
I work with a varied workforce. I usually approach individual risk assessment by having a discussion with the person (guided if possible by the job description where available) and identifying areas together with them where action is necessary. This is then discussed with the manager if the manager is not able to attend the original discussion. Sorry- not quite what you asked for , I know but maybe the person themselves could give you very good guidance/information?
Sweeney25568  
#4 Posted : 25 June 2012 12:01:35(UTC)
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Sweeney25568

OK thanks for reply...not 100% sure what has been done etc....our HR have been involved and I'm due to meet with them tomorrow so will understand more then. Thanks
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#5 Posted : 25 June 2012 12:04:21(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Oh no, not again! Instead of going around the individual, no matter how well intentioned that might be, to make inquiry from their care provider why not just ask them. It's their illness, and they will be well aware of information sources available from the NHS, charities and other support organisations etc - far better than you trying to do it for them, or is it despite them? Put the patient/employee at the centre to develop the more appropriate RA that can, and necessarily will, change over time as their illness progresses. Only they will know that, and can help you keep thing up to date.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 25 June 2012 12:04:57(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

"Risk Assessing"? Really? Isn't this more about a dialogue with the person to assess their needs and determining what adjustments are required to enable them at work? MS is a progressive & debilitating disease. Much will depend on the stage of illness. No doubt a time will come when a Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan is required. The time may also come when they are no longer able to work. As with most things, the best person to inform this ongoing discussion and review will be the MS sufferer themselves. You can read-up on MS, but you won't know how this individual is affected until you meet and speak with them.
Sweeney25568  
#7 Posted : 25 June 2012 12:11:26(UTC)
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Sweeney25568

ron hunter wrote:
"Risk Assessing"? Really? Isn't this more about a dialogue with the person to assess their needs and determining what adjustments are required to enable them at work? MS is a progressive & debilitating disease. Much will depend on the stage of illness. No doubt a time will come when a Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan is required. The time may also come when they are no longer able to work. As with most things, the best person to inform this ongoing discussion and review will be the MS sufferer themselves. You can read-up on MS, but you won't know how this individual is affected until you meet and speak with them.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 25 June 2012 12:26:24(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Oops! Our posts crossed Ian. Something I said, Sweeney?
bilbo  
#9 Posted : 25 June 2012 13:07:43(UTC)
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bilbo

I'm with Ian & Ron on this one - have done a couple of these in the recent past and the assessment can only be successful with full involvement of the person affected. They know their capabilities and what is (or isn't) currently possible for them. The assessment must allow for very frequent review as has been suggested as this condition is progressive. Constant on going dialogue with the person and how they are coping. MS also does go into regression so review is crucial. Occupational Health colleagues may be able to assist.
Clairel  
#10 Posted : 25 June 2012 13:27:25(UTC)
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Clairel

Actually Ron MS is not always progressive. Like you I thought it was but with a certain celebrity having being recently diagnosed there has been a lot of discussion on the radio etc. Apparently not all forms are progressive, in fact most aren't, with the person returing to 'normal' after each episode. Anyway, personally I would agree that you should talk to the person themself who know will their own illness. BUT I always have issues as to how far a H&S professional should stray into the realms of occupational health issues that we are not medically competent to advise on.
A Kurdziel  
#11 Posted : 25 June 2012 13:36:10(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have done assessments for an individual who worked for us who had MS. She no longer works for us as in her case the disease has progressed. From the start we got her involved in the assessments process, trying to identify what she could do as oppose to what she couldn’t. We assessed her office, moving her to a ground floor office when she could no longer use the stairs and buying her a mobile chair which enabled her to move about but she could sit comfortably on it and use it as a work chair. We also assess her office space at home, as she found traveling to work tiring at times but was able to work from home. She was involved in all of the decisions about her job, as Ron and Ian have suggested.
Sweeney25568  
#12 Posted : 25 June 2012 15:14:47(UTC)
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Sweeney25568

Thank you all for your comments and feedback....all very useful.
Ron Hunter  
#13 Posted : 25 June 2012 15:28:18(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Well qualified, Clairel. Relapsing remitting MS being the most common.
Graham Bullough  
#14 Posted : 26 June 2012 14:48:53(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Sweeney Your situation echoes that described by Michael66 in his posting "Arthritis" dated 8th May this year about being asked to risk assess a tanker driver with arthritis. There were some good responses to that posting and likewise good ones have already been made to your posting. For any person known or perceived to have any medical condition (permanent or temporary) which MIGHT but won't necessarily affect their ability to work effectively and safely, it's surely vital for their line manager to talk with them and find out what information they have and what their thoughts are. The same goes for any others from HR, occupational health and OS&H if they really need to be involved. Though people can be diagnosed with MS, arthritis or any other condition, their brains and feelings continue to function as before. Failures to heed this fact fall under the broad term of "Does s/he take sugar?" syndrome. There are numerous websites about the syndrome and some forum users will know that its title made a superb one for the BBC radio programme about disability matters. The large HR department in which I worked until recently had an employee with MS. Most of the other employees in the department probably didn't know and didn't need to know. Though my immediate colleagues and I were aware that the employee had some flexibility with working hours to deal with fatigue arising from the condition, I don't think any of us had any professional involvement. Any adjustments needed were probably agreed between the employee and line manager/s. Changes might be needed as and when the employee's condition changes over time and can probably be agreed as before between the employee and line manager/s. If necessary advice could be sought from occupational health, but it's unlikely to involve OS&H as well.
John T Allen  
#15 Posted : 27 June 2012 11:15:20(UTC)
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A lot of sound advice already posted on here. The crucial thing to bear in mind is that everyone's MS affects them differently, no two people will be the same in this regard. Problems can include muscle weakness, particularly on one side, lack of co-ordination, poor awareness of limb position, balance problems, painful muscle spasms, sensory deficits, and probably the most debillitating of all - severe fatigue. The condition can be either relapse/remit, when the person will suffer relapses but then recover in remission, although commonly not to the same level as before the relapse, or progressive, where it is just a gradual decline, or indeed it can move from relapse/remit to progressive. It is therefore of paramount importance to discuss with the individual how their MS affects them, they will be the experts on this, and build in regular reviews, as the condition can be a moving feast. You will then need to make any reasonable adjustments as per the Equality Act (which replaced the Disability Discrimination Act).
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