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If you report a major injury as defined in RIDDOR and the HSE investigates the incident, how long after reporting the injury would you expect the investigation to take place?
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Carol,
I am sorry that I can't give a difinitive answer.
The investigation could begin immediately if it is directly related to the incident. Alternatively, the incident may simply have 'flagged-up' to the HSE the need for an inspection the next time an Inspector is in the area/has the time.
Regards.
DJ
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we have just had a HSE inspector on site following a trap injury on a piece of machinery
he has said a likely time from now to a decision is 3-4 months
the time from accident to his arrival was 10 days (cut to hand requiring surgery)
hope this helps
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Carol, as the other replies, "How long is a piece of string?" It depends entirely on the circumstances of the accident reported to them. Over the years we have had one or two major injuries duly reported to the HSE via RIDDOR which were never investigated by them as they have read our submission and proposed remedial actions to prevent recurrence. However, following a shattered abrasive wheel incident that caused a severe cut / broken bone injury, the HSE carried out a thorough investigation and came to site within 2 days.
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We had a reportable incident last November that was 'investigated' by e mail and telephone up until February this year, we then heard nothing more until June when the HSE asked to come in to carry out a formal investigation.
The Inspector apologised for the delay and said a fatality case had taken up their time and hence our case was temporarily put to one side.
The incident has now been resolved and all signed off by the HSE.
I would suggest that in terms of timescales it depends on the seriousness of the reportable incident and the workload of the Inspector.
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Though the actual circumstances being reported under RIDDOR have a significant bearing on whether HSE or an LA will investigate, there are other factors at play. Think about what happens to the information reported: It will be passed/copied to whichever part of HSE or an LA has enforcing responsibility for the premises/work activity involved. In HSE managers, usually principal inspectors, will look through the notifications received and then decide which should be investigated either by themselves or members of their teams. Such decisions are based on a variety of things. These will include knowledge of the companies/organisations involved and their OS&H performance/record. Also for each calendar year HSE may/will have special initiatives regarding some industry sector problems or types of accidents (e.g. slips and trips), so inspectors will be required to investigate all or a proportion of relevant notifications. In addition, such managers need to consider if they have inspectors available or with time to carry out investigations in relation to other demands. At any one time, inspectors can be away on training courses, annual leave, sickness absence or already tied up with detailed investigations of serious matters or court cases. At a time when HSE inspector numbers and finance are significantly reduced, it must a difficult and unenviable task to decide what accidents/incidents can and should be investigated while others which merit invesigation have to be left uninvestigated.
In some cases HSE inspectors will ask for more information before deciding whether or not to investigate. This can include more details about the circumstances and also what internal investigation has been carried out and with what findings and any subsequent actions. Thus, if resources don't permit an HSE investigation, inspectors might be satisfied with the responses to their queries and take no more action other than keep a record of the responses. On the other hand, inspectors might decide from the extra information received that they will investigate. This may prompt some forum debate as to how much information inspectors can insist on getting and to what extent they can rely on it ("piggybacking" might be a suitable term) when conducting their own investigations!
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quote=Carol B]If you report a major injury as defined in RIDDOR and the HSE investigates the incident, how long after reporting the injury would you expect the investigation to take place?
The investigation for the last major injury that I dealt with started before I even had chance to report it !
It was a multiple finger amputation and while the IP was still being treated on site by the ambulance crew, I was summoned to reception to meet the Police. This was about 6pm on a Friday.
The 2 constables informed me that they had received a report of an assault on the premises and asked if I knew anything about it. I explained that there had been a serious accident in the last half hour, but was not aware of an assault taking place.
They responded that if someone has sustained injuries then that is a potential assault that they must investigate to determine if a crime has been committed.
As I took them to the scene of the incident, they told me that because we had made a 999 call requesting an ambulance and the details of the injury we had given, that the Police were also automatically informed.
They immediately sealed off the area and informed me that CID and scenes of crime were on there way and that they would guard the location until they arrived.
CID and scenes of crime turned up about 8pm, carried out a thorough investigation of the machine and interviewed all the witnesses.
While this was going on I completed the on-line RIDDOR report.
By 11pm, both CID and scenes of crime had completed their investigation. They sealed the area off again and informed me that we would be told on Monday morning if the Police would be leading the investigation or whether they would hand it over to the HSE.
I was told first thing Monday morning that the Police were handing it over to the HSE. When I contacted the HSE they knew nothing about the incident, had heard nothing from the Police and could not find my on-line RIDDOR report.
At about 11am Monday morning the HSE called back to say they were now aware of the incident, but had no details and that they were on their way to visit.
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Carol
I believe DJ provided the only real answer "sorry that I can't give a definitive answer" because I don't believe there is one.
Unfortunately I have had to make a few major accident calls, some responses have been "secure the scene and we will be there in an hour", "need to see if we have an inspector available so will call you back tomorrow", " send us your report and we will get back to you".
I haven't seen any pattern as to what gets reported or not, perhaps resources is playing a part?
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