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wainwrightbagger  
#1 Posted : 27 June 2012 13:18:29(UTC)
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wainwrightbagger

My problem may be a relatively simple one and I hope that someone out there might be able to help.

I have recently started working for a new employer who own a couple of sports pitches on educational premises, one of which has floodlighting to allow the pitch to be used during periods of relative darkness.

I have been asked my thoughts on what level of inspection these light fittings should have from a PPM perspective and must admit it's a new one on me. I've currently got the FM Manager to trawl through the O&M manuals etc to see what lies in there, but what he's found so far is pretty sketchy!

Initial thoughts are pointing to some basic visual inspections and aligning these to re-lamp schedules etc, but I do wonder whether or not the large threaded rod and nut system that locates the standard to the "floor plate" should be inspected as these seem to be regular steel and therefore subject (perhaps) to corrosion issues. The standards themselves are galvanised tubes of course.

We might be making a mountain out of a molehill with this, but I don't like not knowing an answer! A google search has not revealed anything more really than we've already thought about ourselves but I do wonder what good practice exists out there in professional sports venues and major street lighting installations.

Any pointers gratefully received!
phow  
#2 Posted : 27 June 2012 20:09:00(UTC)
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phow

Mmm mountain I think. Nearest you can get is the same as street lamps where the top lantern is bolted to the vertical column set in the ground. Better still, backheel issue to your (electrical) engineer who has to maintain all their electrical systems under the EAW Regs R4.(2), "... to prevent danger...". including systems subject to "external influences". May I suggest this is a specialist field not to be entered lightly. Unless it is of course "blooming obvious" that it is highly corroded, in which case, isolate power immediatly and barrier off fall area immediately.
BW Peter
paul.skyrme  
#3 Posted : 28 June 2012 19:23:49(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

This should be covered under your EICR when the electrical install is inspected, say commercial, every 5 years, the contractor doing these works should be competent to identify the risks associated with the electrical equipment, including the structural and mechanical risks, else they are not competent to undertake the EICR.
So, from install date I would say 5 years, at a guess, however, this will depend on what is given on the original EIC.
Following this, IF there has been a subsequent PIR, then the period to next inspection will be given in that.

If in doubt, contact a suitable competent independent electrical engineer or contractor for advice?

wainwrightbagger  
#4 Posted : 29 June 2012 08:02:41(UTC)
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wainwrightbagger

Thanks Gents for your replies.

Interesting as our FM Manager has come back with the EICR for the installation but was still not clear about physical condition aspects.

I think I'll ask the question of the competent person performing the condition report and see what response I get!
paul.skyrme  
#5 Posted : 30 June 2012 21:54:05(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

If you have an EICR for the install then this will cover the physical condition aspects.
If it does not, then it is not worth the paper it is written on and the provider is not competent to provide the document.
Thus you need to find another provider.
tony.  
#6 Posted : 30 June 2012 22:29:15(UTC)
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tony.

The EICR, is an electrical report, the information you are looking is from the designer or manufacturer and should be contained in the O&M folder.

It should be designed and installed to be safely maintained, so someone should have thought about this long before the lights were installed.

Tony
tony.  
#7 Posted : 30 June 2012 23:15:20(UTC)
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tony.

Look for the orginal electrical installation certificate.
It generally has 3 boxes 1 for signing off the design, 1 for construction and the last for inspection anf testing.
Its up to the original designer to decide the test period.

Tony
paul.skyrme  
#8 Posted : 01 July 2012 09:46:27(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Tony,
Your last 2 messages are in part correct.
It is up to the designer to decide the interval to the FIRST repeat inspection, after that the period to the next is down to the inspector, and the same for all subsequent.
The EICR is an electrical report, however, it MUST consider all aspects of the condition of the electrical equipment, including in this case the mechanical and structural elements of the lighting columns.
I will dig the reg. no out if you all want it.


Oh, and yes you are spot on with the design and maintain thought bit, & the O&M folder bit, bet you it ain't there though!!!
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