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MrsR  
#1 Posted : 27 June 2012 13:19:45(UTC)
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MrsR

Sorry if this is an old one doing the rounds again.....Several key members of the organisation have recently been telling staff (and so it's got round very quickly) that steel toe cap boots/shoes are very dangerous and shouldn't be worn anymore. Apparently we are to use composite now. [they're not part of the safety team, but are across the management, I think it must have come up in a management meeting at somepoint]

Have I missed an article or recent accident somewhere? Or is this likely to be the old rumour coming round again?
Mr.Flibble  
#2 Posted : 27 June 2012 13:33:10(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

The first thing I would ask them is how are they very dangerous? In what way may they cause harm to the person wearing them!?

Sure they are not just after new boots? All the top PPE supplies would not be selling them if they were very dangerous.

The only real bonus to composite is that they are lighter.
Yossarian  
#3 Posted : 27 June 2012 14:02:17(UTC)
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Yossarian

Is is following the recent episode of Mythbusters on Quest channel?

I remember inwardly groaning when I saw the programme due to the misunderstandings it might create.

They discovered that dropping a weighted blade on a steel toecap could result in the blade bouncing off the toecap and subsequently falling behind it, potentially severing the foot.

What they however failed to show was the mess made if ordinary footwear was subjected to the same test. Neither did they subject composite toecaps to the test.

HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 27 June 2012 14:10:47(UTC)
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HSSnail

Wish I could remember the source as this may be another urban myth. I think I remember reading a good number of years ago that if steel toe caps were being worn on a rough surface then the weight of anything falling on them could be transferred to the sole causing more damage to the foot - unless they had strengthened soles.

Once again its down to the risk assessment to decide on the correct shoe for the protection needed.

Hopefully someone will have time to confirm or deny this. Sorry don't have time to research this today.

Brian
achrn  
#5 Posted : 27 June 2012 14:17:47(UTC)
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achrn

Do they mean (or did the rumour start as meaning) exposed steel toe-caps? Some organisations prohibit exposed conductive toecaps - eg Network Rail Level 2 standard NR/L2/OHS/021 Issue 3 requires "Safety footwear which complies with BS EN ISO 20345: 2004, provides support to the ankle, includes mid-sole protection, and has a protective toe cap. Where used, steel or other conductive toe caps shall be covered."
jontyjohnston  
#6 Posted : 27 June 2012 15:01:57(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

Old rumour coming around again me thinks!

We us both types and as long as they comply with the right BSEN as correctly referenced by "achrn" then there should not be an issue.

Lots of our staff prefer the composite type simply because they are lighter.
mike350  
#7 Posted : 27 June 2012 15:08:30(UTC)
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mike350

This has come up at one or two of my clients where they worry about exposed steel toe caps creating sparks in ATEX or explosive areas such as a sugar refinery but not as a response to any potential issues regarding the use of steel toe capped footwear in general.
Yossarian  
#8 Posted : 27 June 2012 22:17:29(UTC)
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Yossarian

mike350 wrote:
This has come up at one or two of my clients where they worry about exposed steel toe caps creating sparks in ATEX or explosive areas such as a sugar refinery but not as a response to any potential issues regarding the use of steel toe capped footwear in general.


Obvious, now you mention it!

Clearly anything that can create a spark in a combustible atmosphere would be a *bad idea*.

MrsR, was this the issue perchance, or do you still not know?
RayRapp  
#9 Posted : 28 June 2012 09:28:24(UTC)
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RayRapp

First, I know of no good reason why steel toe caps should not be worn, indeed in some industries it is mandatory. However, where the steel is exposed due to damage or wear this could create an additional hazard. For example - railway maintenance workers who might come into contact with live rails when working on or about the track.
jay  
#10 Posted : 28 June 2012 11:59:49(UTC)
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jay

BS EN ISO 20345 is the current standard to which new or routinely re-tested safety footwear has to conform. It is still acceptable for existing styles tested and approved to EN345 to be sold.

The standard to which the footwear conforms will be identified on the product information label within the footwear.

As BOTH versions of the standard require the inclusion of a 200 joule toe cap for impact protection, irrespective whether steel or composite material. Composite material is gradually becoming more popular due to its light weight, but generally costs more, other factors being similar.
MrsR  
#11 Posted : 28 June 2012 19:05:07(UTC)
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MrsR

Thanks for all your responses.

From what I can gather, they were concerned it would sever their toes! So I think it is the old rumour.

For our work we're mainly looking at heavier items dropping or rolling over toes. We're not in a high risk industry, and don't use machinery etc. It's all fairly low level.
tony.  
#12 Posted : 29 June 2012 22:08:27(UTC)
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tony.

I have worked in hazardous areas, offshore and onshore and have compex training.
Steel toe caps arent a problem when they are covered by the shoe leather, as soon as this splits and the steel is exposed, you have the potential for a spark.

Then the ppe is compromised and should be replaced

Tony
sadlass  
#13 Posted : 30 June 2012 13:03:28(UTC)
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sadlass

Steel toe caps will only 'sever' your toes if subjected to a weight / impact of such proportions that any flesh & blood survival would be impossible. They don't just 'sever your toes' if you put the boots on and walk about.

I too saw the mythbusters test. They did find that if a massive edge or 'blade' were to hit the upper portion of the toecap, there was a potential for the steel to divert the force to the very edge of the toecap, where it 'slid' off and then went through the unprotected foot above the toes. The point was that this type of massive and focussed weight would crush and amputate anything less resistant than steel anyway. Such as a normal shoe, flesh and bone, etc.

John J  
#14 Posted : 01 July 2012 20:25:52(UTC)
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John J

It's on quest now
John J  
#15 Posted : 01 July 2012 20:47:25(UTC)
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John J

Myth busted. Your toes are gone anyway.
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