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Richard#  
#1 Posted : 09 July 2012 18:45:51(UTC)
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Richard#

I am about to go for the peer interview which will take me to CMIOSH Please can you tell me what the value will be to me of getting it. I have some thoughts but would like it to be confirmed
JJ Prendergast  
#2 Posted : 09 July 2012 18:55:15(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Value in what sense? Financial or career progression value. In my view, not much value in CMIOSH for either for most people. Probably of the 2, better for career progression because at least by having it, you might at least get invited for an interview. Also depends what industrial sector you work in - its not of much value in O&G, where engineering/technical/science qualifications are more important.
Richard#  
#3 Posted : 09 July 2012 19:25:28(UTC)
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Richard#

How long have you had CMIOSH???
Jane Blunt  
#4 Posted : 09 July 2012 19:42:47(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Lois, you can see from his rank and groups that JJP is not a member, and is therefore not currently CMIOSH. Many jobs ask for CMIOSH or equivalent. I feel that CMIOSH helps in my job, as it adds credibility. The possession of CMIOSH is also a constant reminder of the importance of maintaining the quality of my work and the importance of the professional code of contact.
Richard#  
#5 Posted : 09 July 2012 19:45:43(UTC)
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Richard#

I do agree with yourself - I always feel that an informed position gives a more accurate reply
RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 09 July 2012 20:33:47(UTC)
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RayRapp

Further to Jane's comments, I think CMIOSH is very important for career progression, job opportunities, salary and personal kudos. True, some industries and other qualifications may negate the usefulness of chartered status, but these are an exception...and yes I do have CMIOSH. Best wishes with your peer interview.
JJ Prendergast  
#7 Posted : 09 July 2012 22:58:59(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

I'm no longer a member of IOSH / CMIOSH - I let it lapse 3-4 years ago. You can be just as knowledgeable and capable of providing high quality h&s services with out being CMIOSH. Being CMIOSH is guarantee of success. Knowledge and experience about a particular industry is more important. Not had a problem securing work since dropping CMIOSH
Stedman  
#8 Posted : 10 July 2012 10:55:37(UTC)
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Stedman

JJ Prendergast wrote:
I'm no longer a member of IOSH / CMIOSH - I let it lapse 3-4 years ago. You can be just as knowledgeable and capable of providing high quality h&s services with out being CMIOSH. Being CMIOSH is guarantee of success. Knowledge and experience about a particular industry is more important. Not had a problem securing work since dropping CMIOSH
JJP, This is a well debated argument which has taken place on this forum over many years. Whilst the majority of respondents back in 2000 would have supported your argument that you could clearly get by without MIOSH (back then), there is a significant shift away from that view even to the point that there is now a complaint on one specific CDM-C forum that there are too many job adverts in this sector are now insisting on CMIOSH when this is clearly not a specific requirement. You may not have currently have a problem securing good work in your sector; however judging by the number of IPD, open book exam and peer review questions, there is now clearly some significant value in others seeking Chartered Membership of IOSH.
Norfolkboy  
#9 Posted : 10 July 2012 11:07:49(UTC)
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Norfolkboy

I think that it specialist sectors- Oil and Gas, Nuclear ect CMIOSH isn't really going to help in finding work. In the more mundane Health and Safety world I think that because of the shortage of positions and the number of highly experience and qualified Health and Safety professionals it is becoming a must have. 5 years ago a Nebosh Cert would get you an interview - 3 years ago a Nebosh diploma would get you an interview and today you need to be chartered or working toward it to get an interview.
Melrose80086  
#10 Posted : 10 July 2012 12:21:21(UTC)
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Melrose80086

Unfortunately the number of people applying for any job at the moment has increased so having the qualifications and CMIOSH on the CV should hopefully mean you make the first "sift" of the CVs landing on an HR desk (assuming the person has been briefed on what qualifications are required!). Having seen the CVs that some people send in, it's no wonder they don't hear back as having a nicely presented CV is half the battle. Good luck with the peer interview!
jontyjohnston  
#11 Posted : 10 July 2012 12:54:04(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

I also would have to agree with Jane & Ray in terms of what it means to me as a professional, having been a full member for many years before the royal charter was granted and CMIOSH since. However Lois, if you want to know what the benefits are to you for a possible answer or explanation at your peer review then that's a bit different. Focus on the career aspects, CPD & development, benefits to a prospective employer, etc and not so much on the personal benefits.
TerryW  
#12 Posted : 10 July 2012 13:32:17(UTC)
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TerryW

I have questioned this myself, as well as the other memberships i have or have had in the past including IIRSM, IRCA and IEMA, these all cost money to maintain as you know doubt are aware. This year i have looked at these memberships and to be honest have let a lot of the them go, however being Grad IOSH now after 3-4 years I am looking to take the plunge for my chartership. There is one key thing i have noticed and that is my clients kinda know who they are and what they stand for and as a business owner i am more likely to gain new business with having the grade and i can see that in a way the membership will pay for itself, as well as everything else that being offered with CMIOSH or just being a member of IOSH can bring, my thoughts may not be shared by everyone, but i have actually found a value being Grad IOSH and this will hopefully only be expanded if i achieve CMIOSH. Good luck with your peer review
Richard#  
#13 Posted : 10 July 2012 20:32:35(UTC)
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Richard#

It appears that my original mail has prompted some thought.....this is all very healthy and represents good value for CMIOSH. Since IOSH pushed hard to raise the profile of CMIOSH and its value to businesses, I think this it in turn has given kudos to the membership level both professionally and personally - well done IOSH! Without raising the bar our profession's crediblity would have declined (due to questionable advice by some practitionars) and this would have had a negative impact on each member wishing to push forward. I would like to think that CMIOSH is approaching that of other professions e.g. Chartered Accountants but personally I don't know if that has been done yet?????
Clairel  
#14 Posted : 11 July 2012 13:21:17(UTC)
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Clairel

Lois wrote:
How long have you had CMIOSH???
That's harsh. Do you have to be CMIOSH to have an opinion or understanding of it's worth? I am CMIOSH - in case you're inclined to ask me the same question - the only value to me is credibility so that I can get work and so that my employers can assure clients of my credibility. Having said that I think most clients don't have a clue what CMIOSH is and don't care so long as I can do the job when I turn up on their doorstep. Personally I'm not convinced it's worth the paper it's written on, having seen the poor quality of work over the years from some who are also CMIOSH. I'm CMIOSH becuase I need to be to get work. Nothing more. As to your question, you have to decide why it's worth it for you. Why give someone elses answers at your own interview? You know what it's worth to you so just tell them that.
Richard#  
#15 Posted : 11 July 2012 22:08:49(UTC)
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Richard#

Thanks for your response - you make some interesting and valid points
jay  
#16 Posted : 12 July 2012 12:05:47(UTC)
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jay

CMIOSH is relatively new compared to other professional institutions thereofore its value/knowledge amongst employers is limited, but on the increase. It is suppposed to indicate a minimum, but "recognised" level of a mix of qualifications/training/knowledge, experience and application of it all--yes indirectly competence. Will it guarantee you a job? No, not on its own, but is likely to provide an edge, depending whether you have the particular industry sector qualification/experience that the prospective employer is seeking It is unlikely that a Chartered Chemical Engineers specialising in "Process Safety" will go for CMIOSH even if he or she is a "safety professional" for a chemical site.
ian_the_ex_medic  
#17 Posted : 12 July 2012 15:58:34(UTC)
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ian_the_ex_medic

Interseting thread, given I have my peer review for CMIOSH on the 14th August. For me professionally it doesn’t mean a huge amount. I work in the oil and gas industry where generally reputation, word of mouth and previous projects tend to be more highly regarded than CMIOSH. On the other hand in the professional sense (particularly in the corporate arena) it does demonstrate that you continue to develop and stay relativly up to date, and where most of my colleagues tend to be Chartered something or other they do tend to give it some value as most of them go through it with their various institutions. At a personal level for me its all about moving forward. CMIOSH is the end of a very long road of study and development. My problem now beyond keeping my CPD up is what do I do next…… Also at the back of my mind is that I dont want to be working away from my family forever and the hope by attaining CMIOSH is that it may make me that little bit more attractive to a UK employer when I eventually return and get a proper job.....
alexmccreadie13  
#18 Posted : 12 July 2012 16:10:06(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

Lois I am glad you got the feedback you required as mentioning CMIOSH is always a ticklish subject. Like everything there are good and bad. Once again Clairel tops my post of the post list.Especially regarding employers lack of knowledge on this qualification. I had a peach today Your supervisors have to have SMSTS or SSSTS or IOSH to supervise on site? I nearly asked if it was the letterhead a badge or book from IOSH they wanted. Makes I laugh
Richard#  
#19 Posted : 12 July 2012 16:22:32(UTC)
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Richard#

Thanks for your feedback
hardiment27  
#20 Posted : 12 July 2012 18:08:03(UTC)
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hardiment27

CMIOSH is worth having just to show that you have achieved a minimum standard. It is not the be all though as others have said. The law itself states that qualification, experience, aptitude etc. make a competent person.
TSC  
#21 Posted : 13 July 2012 07:17:05(UTC)
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TSC

I think CMIOSH shows an employer not just a level of achievement but a level of commitment to maintaining professional knowledge through CPD, a tick in the box for them.
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