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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 09 July 2012 21:21:39(UTC)
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firesafety101

This is true and for interest. A telecom contractor working inside a unit under fit out needs to get to the other side of the party wall so he goes next door and asks permission to enter and carry out some work. There are two of them. The PC in control of the next door unit does an induction on both men and gets them to sign and off they go. The job requires access to a height, (don't know how high) so it is WAH. One of them has been trained for ladder work and the other trained to foot a ladder. The man trained to foot the ladder is on his own for a short while and extends and pitches the ladder, then ascends to commence the work. He falls off the ladder and fractures his arm, or his leg not fully aware of the details yet. No risk assessment produced, no method statement provided. The PC is usually very good at safety frequently scoring high when inspected. You just don't know what's around the corner.
KAJ Safe  
#2 Posted : 10 July 2012 08:12:34(UTC)
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KAJ Safe

Truely bad luck. I assume he presumed it was straight forward work and something they do everyday. Was the PC aware the non trained person was climbing the ladder at the time and was the contractor doing something stupid for him to fall (ie over reaching)?
PIKEMAN  
#3 Posted : 10 July 2012 09:45:27(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Not bad luck, bad judgement. I would question the working off a ladder,what was he doing?
KAJ Safe  
#4 Posted : 10 July 2012 10:24:28(UTC)
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KAJ Safe

Pikeman Working off of a ladder is not always a bad thing. While we can both assume certain scenarios, even the HSE WaH kit allows certain tasks to be done from a ladder.
Lawlee45239  
#5 Posted : 10 July 2012 10:25:49(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Firesafety101 wrote:
This is true and for interest. A telecom contractor working inside a unit under fit out needs to get to the other side of the party wall so he goes next door and asks permission to enter and carry out some work. There are two of them. The PC in control of the next door unit does an induction on both men and gets them to sign and off they go. The job requires access to a height, (don't know how high) so it is WAH. One of them has been trained for ladder work and the other trained to foot a ladder. The man trained to foot the ladder is on his own for a short while and extends and pitches the ladder, then ascends to commence the work. He falls off the ladder and fractures his arm, or his leg not fully aware of the details yet. No risk assessment produced, no method statement provided. The PC is usually very good at safety frequently scoring high when inspected. You just don't know what's around the corner.
I think there was a PC lapse, I'm sure if it were one of their own 'site' guys then permits/RAMs would have been expected, but because the workers were from 'next doors site' it sounds like there wasnt too much done. But until the full investigation is carried out, its all 'if, but and maybe'. Hopefully the IP will make a quick recovery. No PC has a good track record for safety, they are not perfect even if their figures say they are.
farmsafety  
#6 Posted : 11 July 2012 09:09:45(UTC)
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farmsafety

So the injured party is trained to foot the ladder only, but not to climb, and received an induction of which he signed. Presumably he will be disciplined/sacked?
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 12 July 2012 13:48:26(UTC)
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firesafety101

The IP has contacted the site manager to apologise for the accident, he will possibly be disciplined as well.
ExDeeps  
#8 Posted : 12 July 2012 14:10:06(UTC)
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ExDeeps

If I was talking here I would do it with a wink.....! So, we have someone trained to climb a ladder but not foot a ladder. We have someone else trained to foot a ladder, but not to climb a ladder. I presume someone else is trained to inspect the ladder (but not climb or foot the ladder). Is this some kind of mad throw back to the era of the closed shop, three day week and flying pickets? How long does it take to "train" someone to climb a ladder, or foot a ladder or to multi task and foot or climb (But not at the same time, obviously) a ladder? "Sorry mate, I'm a fully paid up Member of the Ladder Footers union and if you try to foot that ladder with a non ladder footer we'll all down tools and call out the pickets......" Jim ;-)
frankc  
#9 Posted : 12 July 2012 14:15:09(UTC)
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frankc

KAJ safe wrote:
Pikeman Working off of a ladder is not always a bad thing.
It is if they haven't had any or sufficient training.
frankc  
#10 Posted : 12 July 2012 14:17:26(UTC)
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frankc

ExDeeps wrote:
If I was talking here I would do it with a wink.....! So, we have someone trained to climb a ladder but not foot a ladder. We have someone else trained to foot a ladder, but not to climb a ladder. I presume someone else is trained to inspect the ladder (but not climb or foot the ladder). Is this some kind of mad throw back to the era of the closed shop, three day week and flying pickets? How long does it take to "train" someone to climb a ladder, or foot a ladder or to multi task and foot or climb (But not at the same time, obviously) a ladder? "Sorry mate, I'm a fully paid up Member of the Ladder Footers union and if you try to foot that ladder with a non ladder footer we'll all down tools and call out the pickets......" Jim ;-)
Good post. Any half day ladder training will include footing/ascending/inspection and do away with a return to the bad old days.
firesafety101  
#11 Posted : 12 July 2012 19:11:38(UTC)
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firesafety101

When I get the full report I'll let you all know more, its still a bit sketchy at present. This is a major telecommunications company that the IP works for. Right now I think he was using the ladder for access, it was not tied or footed and it slipped. The IP has 8 fractures of his arm. I will be asked to review the reports and make recommendations. I can only do that when I Know it all. It is a good one though isn't it :-)
frankc  
#12 Posted : 12 July 2012 20:29:21(UTC)
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frankc

Firesafety101 wrote:
When I get the full report I'll let you all know more, its still a bit sketchy at present. This is a major telecommunications company that the IP works for.
Wouldn't be the first time a 'Major telecommunications company' were in trouble for falls from ladders. http://www.standard.co.u...ladder-fall-6547888.html Though some people still scoff at the need for ladder training.
firesafety101  
#13 Posted : 16 July 2012 18:10:37(UTC)
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firesafety101

The IP was alone at the time he fell from the ladder. He had taken a ladder from his van, a personal ladder not a company authorised ladder. He positioned the ladder, ascended then fell off, fracturing his arm in 8 places. There was a MEWP available for him if he wanted to use it, with the offer of an operator. (The MEWP was used the day before to look at the work area). The IP has apologised to the PC for causing the accident and all the "fall out" he has accepted it was his fault. His employer has taken part in the investigation and agreed the ladder should not have been used. HSE were informed right away and within 2 hours they contacted the PC to say they can continue work and no HSE attendance will be made. Police turned up following the call for Ambulance but they left almost immediately they arrived.
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