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stuie  
#41 Posted : 06 July 2012 10:29:09(UTC)
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stuie

Zyggy - they just would not go for that - they would fire me first - it is a case of damage limitation - as I have said before employment law is on their side as I have only been here 7 months. Had I been here a couple of years then things would be different - changes in law have made it so much easier to 'dump' people in the first 12 months of employment; in fact I don't know what the govt is on about in wanting to make things even easier - seems to me as it is pretty easy now - goodness knows what it will be like if they change the law further.

Just handed my notice in.
:-( or should it be :-) ?????

Difficult to put a brave face on it when I face the prospect of unemployment for the first time in my working life.
NLivesey  
#42 Posted : 06 July 2012 11:13:21(UTC)
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NLivesey

Stuie

Not been in the situation myself but my better half had a similar situation earlier in the year. As a result of poor line management, no agreed objectives and winning a grievance against a poor performance (no contest, she had the figures to prove she was exceeding her stated level of performance), she finally had enough and handed her notice in. It was a very tough few weeks of uncertainty for both of us but she secured a new job in a new company and life is a lot better.

I guess the message is chin up, you're in a position now that, although holding a lot of apprehension, also has a lot of opportunity. I'd also say that there are jobs out there and it's a matter of MASSIVE self promotion now. Don't be scared to really blow your own trumpet. I'd also recommend that you get some evidence form your current position in relation to accident reduction, raised incident reporting and any other stuff that you've worked on. Make a portfolio of your work and when you get an interview slap it on the table. It makes it easier for you to reference your successes, easier for the interviewers to see you're not just talking achievements and gives you time to frame answers.

All the best with it mate. Look on the positive side and don't look back.
stuie  
#43 Posted : 06 July 2012 12:29:25(UTC)
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stuie

Aren't memory sticks such wonderful things - if only I had one to save such info onto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NLivesey  
#44 Posted : 06 July 2012 13:41:28(UTC)
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NLivesey

stuie wrote:
Aren't memory sticks such wonderful things - if only I had one to save such info onto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So is email mate. Attach some non-sensitive docs and fire into the ether.
stuie  
#45 Posted : 12 July 2012 19:41:01(UTC)
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stuie

Just to update you folks; still waiting for meeting with HR to word my reference - though to be fair I have not been there much the last couple of days (two interviews - which will hopefully progress to next stage) and I have three interviews lined up for next week. Just need to turn the opportunities into offers. I knew it was not me that was the problem - it just knocks your self confidence to pieces when you have to endure what I have been through the last four months or so. If I could warn anyone of the site then I would!!
Thanks again for all your support and advice.
Stuart
Lawlee45239  
#46 Posted : 30 July 2012 12:24:30(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

stuie wrote:
Just to update you folks; still waiting for meeting with HR to word my reference - though to be fair I have not been there much the last couple of days (two interviews - which will hopefully progress to next stage) and I have three interviews lined up for next week. Just need to turn the opportunities into offers. I knew it was not me that was the problem - it just knocks your self confidence to pieces when you have to endure what I have been through the last four months or so. If I could warn anyone of the site then I would!!
Thanks again for all your support and advice.
Stuart



How is the hunt going??? Hope you are keeping the chin up, after Uni it took me a year to get my first role, then 18months after I had my daughter, so stick with it, the right role for you will come up
stuie  
#47 Posted : 30 July 2012 12:36:44(UTC)
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stuie

I have a second (final) stage interview tomorrow with one of the organisations I saw a couple of weeks ago now. Apparently the initial pool of interviewees was small and the second stage is even smaller - whatever that means - the company would not give me numbers.
I am waiting to hear from the other one about a second stage interview - recruiter has told me that they want to see me again - just waiting for the date.
Other than that lots of initial interest in me but nothing has come to fruition yet no offers on the table. Recruiters say yes everything is fine you have a good cv etc I will put you forward - but then the trail goes cold - no feedback or contact - very frustrating.
Thanks again
Stuart
Lawlee45239  
#48 Posted : 30 July 2012 13:17:43(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

stuie wrote:
I have a second (final) stage interview tomorrow with one of the organisations I saw a couple of weeks ago now. Apparently the initial pool of interviewees was small and the second stage is even smaller - whatever that means - the company would not give me numbers.
I am waiting to hear from the other one about a second stage interview - recruiter has told me that they want to see me again - just waiting for the date.
Other than that lots of initial interest in me but nothing has come to fruition yet no offers on the table. Recruiters say yes everything is fine you have a good cv etc I will put you forward - but then the trail goes cold - no feedback or contact - very frustrating.
Thanks again
Stuart


It will all work out for the best, and best of luck, hope something come around soon.
chris42  
#49 Posted : 02 August 2012 12:06:15(UTC)
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chris42

Yes I hate the lack of feedback, often you don't even get told if they have put your CV forward. Mind you employers are the same, I know there is a lack of resources in most Company’s to do this, but a generic sorry email to a list of recipients is easy and would only take minutes.

Out of interest Stuie, what are your Qualifications and experience thus far in H&S. Are you considering moving industry sectors (but still with H&S) or stick to the area you are in ?
stuie  
#50 Posted : 02 August 2012 17:54:48(UTC)
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stuie

Its is just common courtesy I think to respond especially when the initial talk is all so positive, as you say Chris just a simple short email to say sorry but no thanks rather than nothing at all.
I have not ruled anything out; my engineering background (HNC Mech Eng) and some years 'on the spanners' before that is what employers seem initially interested in. I then gained some retail experience as well as transport and warehousing along with managing to Environmental Permitted sites. I now have nine months 'experience' in FMCG. Wide ranging but this all seems to come to nought
I have tried waste management (did not materialise - the incumbent that left went straight back after a week!!), recycling, engineering and manufacturing sectors. I have an interview lined up for tomorrow but after that the trail is completely cold and having just spent my last day 'at work' I face the future with some trepidation.
I think the key thing for anyone looking for work is to have transferable skills, dont rule anything out and be willing to learn new things, which hopefully my CV shows - but has not worked for me yet!!
stuie  
#51 Posted : 15 August 2012 16:50:28(UTC)
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stuie

As an update - I have been to 'sign on' this morning - what a soulless, demeaning and patronising process it was too - I sincerely hope that no-one else has to go through the process.
I have to prove that I have made at least three attempts at finding work each week (agencies do not count for some bizarre reason); and I have to keep a diary of this!
I have to go in to sign on every two weeks, at a specific time.
I have to be prepared to take any work if I cannot find a suitable job after 13 wks in my line of work!
So....

If you are unhappy but in a stable and secure job (as I was)........

DO NOT risk a move at the present time.

Stuart
walker  
#52 Posted : 16 August 2012 08:19:02(UTC)
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walker

Really sorry its come to this Stuie.
Hope things somehow sort themselves out

Can I suggest something?
You start up a new thread here a bit like a Blog/Diary about you ongoing efforts to get new work.
Your experiences would be helpful to anyone else approaching your situation and it will keep you in the limelight for anyone who is recruiting
stuie  
#53 Posted : 16 August 2012 09:08:18(UTC)
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stuie

Thanks for that Walker - you inbox is full :-) I have just tried to PM you.
Stuart
Clairel  
#54 Posted : 16 August 2012 09:51:37(UTC)
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Clairel

Stuie,

I have walked out of quite a few jobs and can safely say it has not affected me getting alternative employment. I also left one during the probationary period as the job was not what they sold at the interview. In fact I left after less than a month. Sadly having principles and wanting to be happy in a job would appear to be failings of mine!

HOWEVER, I have never walked from a job when I couldn't afford to be out of work. ie I knew my husband could support me. I would never advise such a course of action. Happiness is one thing homelessness is another.

By the way a company isn't allowed to give you a bad reference they can just refuse to give you a reference. Failing to secure a job after probabtion wouldn't be getting the sack, it would be "coming to a mutual agreement that the job wasn't right for you." ;-)
aland76  
#55 Posted : 16 August 2012 11:36:32(UTC)
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aland76

Clairel wrote:
By the way a company isn't allowed to give you a bad reference they can just refuse to give you a reference


Don't be too confident about this Clairel, I was contacted the day before starting a new job (in 2010) to say the offer was withdrawn. After a week of hell trying to get answers I was told the offer was withdrawn based on my reference.
Because i'd left the previous company at a critical time (it shut 4 months later) the manager was unhappy at my decision and decided to spend the majority of my reference highlighting areas where I needed to improve.

After several meetings with a solicitors specialising in employment law, the result was that I couldn't sue my ex employer because the reference wasn't deemed bad enough, and I couldn't sue the potential employer because they didn't have a written criteria to decide what constituted a bad reference. Result: 4 months unemployed and a 21k paydrop when I did eventually find work!

Just a word of caution!
Alan
walker  
#56 Posted : 16 August 2012 12:05:56(UTC)
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walker

stuie wrote:
Thanks for that Walker - you inbox is full :-) I have just tried to PM you.
Stuart


Sorry stuie - Its those pesky moderators who keep writing to me that were bunging it up
Cleaned it out a bit now
walker  
#57 Posted : 16 August 2012 12:11:47(UTC)
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walker

Clairel wrote:
Stuie,

I have walked out of quite a few jobs


Careful Claire, we forum members will be getting the impression you are assertive & argumentive ;-)
Clairel  
#58 Posted : 16 August 2012 12:38:58(UTC)
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Clairel

walker wrote:
Clairel wrote:
Stuie,

I have walked out of quite a few jobs


Careful Claire, we forum members will be getting the impression you are assertive & argumentive ;-)


Wouldn' deny I can be assertive when the situation warrants it.

Also wouldn't deny I can be argumentative when I feel passionately enough about something.

BUT there are many other reasons for walking out on a job. Including being bullied, poor customer care and unreasonable working conditions - to name but a few.

Be careful about making assumptions about people just from what is said on forums!
TSC  
#59 Posted : 16 August 2012 13:36:24(UTC)
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TSC

AlanD76 wrote:
Clairel wrote:
By the way a company isn't allowed to give you a bad reference they can just refuse to give you a reference


Don't be too confident about this Clairel, I was contacted the day before starting a new job (in 2010) to say the offer was withdrawn. After a week of hell trying to get answers I was told the offer was withdrawn based on my reference.
Because i'd left the previous company at a critical time (it shut 4 months later) the manager was unhappy at my decision and decided to spend the majority of my reference highlighting areas where I needed to improve.

After several meetings with a solicitors specialising in employment law, the result was that I couldn't sue my ex employer because the reference wasn't deemed bad enough, and I couldn't sue the potential employer because they didn't have a written criteria to decide what constituted a bad reference. Result: 4 months unemployed and a 21k paydrop when I did eventually find work!

Just a word of caution!
Alan


Alan, you are correct with this. An employer can give a bad reference if asked the right questions, it all comes down to how the reference request was worded. For example if a questions was worded asking for clarification on did Mr. Example work in the position of ???, the answer could not be yes but he was useless at this and late etc.

I have seen some reference requests that have asked for reflection both good and bad and this opens the floodgates to potential for negatives.
walker  
#60 Posted : 16 August 2012 13:55:45(UTC)
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walker

"you will be lucky to get this man to work for you"
chris42  
#61 Posted : 16 August 2012 14:22:07(UTC)
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chris42

Walker that could be interpreted either way:-

You will be fortunate to snap this person up and get him on your team or you’ll be lucky if he does any work.

Obviously in Stuie’s case it is the former option.
walker  
#62 Posted : 16 August 2012 15:58:46(UTC)
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walker

chris42 wrote:
Walker that could be interpreted either way:-



Chris matey, thats exactly what I was illustrating

And it was in response to how the thread was developing (what could be written in references) rather that any comment about Stuie.

Which is why is was in " " but obviously I'm pleased to have the opportunity to spell it out to you.
chris42  
#63 Posted : 16 August 2012 16:47:40(UTC)
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chris42

Doh

I completely missed the significance of the quotes, sorry.
stuie  
#64 Posted : 16 August 2012 19:17:17(UTC)
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stuie

Just to clarify ClaireL - I was given the option to resign; or not to resign and be pushed (if that is really any sort of choice?) - after much deliberation and to try and preserve some dignity, and not to have to tell any future prospective employer that I was pushed, we decided on the former.
As it is I can now say (hand on heart) that the management style that I was expected to use did not match with my own, and that I am the wrong person (as were the two before me) for them, as they were the wrong organisation for me. If i had known about the two before me I would not have joined them - i was only told about the one previous to me and the fact that they felt they had got the recruitment process wrong.
There is someone in place now taking over from where I left off - that makes four in the role in 2 yrs now, maybe that gives you some idea as to what I faced?
John M  
#65 Posted : 16 August 2012 20:02:03(UTC)
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John M

Name and ...e the outfit Stuart. It might save another unfortunate!

Like Claire I too have bailed out of despot organisations when it suited me and only when I had secured another role or had enough cash to tide me over. Worked in the Middle East for a well known Arab refiner and bailed out via Bahrain. It was 10 days before I was missed by the Yank in charge. I had already started a new contract role in Vietnam!

So hang on in there and keep plugging away.

Jon
stuie  
#66 Posted : 16 August 2012 20:27:50(UTC)
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stuie

Jon, the guy that replaced me was an internal move from one of the other sites within the group, with a new intern replacing him.
He was fully aware of the 'difficulties' on the site - reading between the lines and maybe getting 6 from adding 2 and 2 but it seemed to me in the conversations we had before I left that he felt his time was limited there too? I cannot help feeling that the fate that I experienced would happen to him too - I told him that before I left and warned him.
John M  
#67 Posted : 16 August 2012 21:23:57(UTC)
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John M

Clearly, you have more integrity and common decency than the management that gave you grief. Perhaps it indicates their ineptitude and lack of good management of H&S . Best out in the long term.

Jon
stuie  
#68 Posted : 16 August 2012 21:30:03(UTC)
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stuie

Agreed Jon - it is just the interim period that I am concerned about and how long it will be.
Nikki-Napo  
#69 Posted : 17 August 2012 10:54:16(UTC)
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Nikki-Napo

stuie wrote:
Agreed Jon - it is just the interim period that I am concerned about and how long it will be.


Hi Stu

What happened to the interviews that you've had? is there anything in the pipeline?
stuie  
#70 Posted : 17 August 2012 21:46:17(UTC)
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stuie

Hi Nikki,
The waste management job fell through, the incumbent that was leaving, left and then promptly returned (grass not greener? - tell me about it!!!) so the post was withdrawn.
Had a second stage interview with a chemicals/metal recycling organisation, did not get the job as the person they offered it to had more relevant experience.
I am waiting to hear back following another second stage interview (FMCG) but I am not overly confident - travel distance of about 65 miles c90 mins - I have a feeling that it will go to someone a bit more local.
Have had two other interviews - chased up on the one today -the decision maker is on holiday until 28th Aug, again travel distance against me. The other one seems to be dead in the water - have followed up a couple of times - they say they are still thinking etc - I just wish people would be honest if they dont want me say so I can take the feedback and make changes if needed.
See my 'blog' early next week for todays news/update!!!!
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